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« on: January 26, 2007, 12:42:06 PM »

I've decided to make this thread about all the things you've just noticed in the world/movies/games/books/life. Things that you may or may not have seen over and over again, but you only realised it now.

To start off, I was re-reading Magician the other day, when I JUST REALISED that Tomas' name is spelt.... Tomas. After reading it for years I had always assumed it was spelt the more common - Thomas - but this realisation hit me hard, and I fell out of my bed    

Anyway, I hope this thread gets you all looking very closely at things in your life....
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« Reply #1 on: January 26, 2007, 02:33:09 PM »

Hmm... there's a *very* similar thread in the Feist forum... but it's more about everything...not just Feist, so before I start, I am not knocking anyone, merely making an observation.

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I've noticed a lot recently just how stupid people are. Particularly adults recently (Though kids aren't any better). I'm not sure if adults are talking down to me or something or if they really are just stupid. It's occurred to me a lot recently that if the average IQ is 100, and I know a fair few people with IQ of 140, 150, 160+, then there must be around as many utterly stupid people with IQs of 50 or less out there just to make it even. Worst of all, I recently had someone tell me that they'd taken an online IQ test, and were very happy to have scored 90. At that moment I died a little inside.

The last time I tried an online IQ test, I scored 167. Therefore, to even out the IQ range, there must either be one person with a severe mental disorder, or a large amount of just kinda dumb people. I know that IQ scores don't really prove all that much, but the point remains. For every one person to be 'above average' there must be another to be 'below average' so there can be such a thing. For every genius, there must be an extremely large amount of dumb people, just to even it out. Marilyn Vos Savant claimed to have had an IQ of 230. The chance of that was immeasurable. Therefore, lets just say in was one in a billion. In that case, there must be a billion below-average people just to make her IQ possible. Combine that with the however many 'above average' people out there, and you're talking one hell of a lot of dumb people.

That's all fine and good, but why the hell must people feel the need to assume that everyone is even more stupid than themselves. When I talk to people, I talk to them as equals. Why then, must these same people have to speak to me as if I am utterly stupid, or have little grasp of the English language? Every time I have someone speak to me as such, I am forced to make a judgement on them, in the same way as they had already made a judgement on me. Invariably, it is either that they have an extremely large ego, a superiority complex, or think that I am stupid, or some combination of the above.

As you may know, I have recently  been employed. After the shambles that was supposed to be my first shift, I had the following phone conversation:
Me: I was told that I would be rung back to be told if I had the job.
Woman: Oh, no, don't listen to her. Listen to [manager]. He's the boss.
Me: Well, [manager] told me that he would ring me back to tell me whether or not I had the job.
Woman: Yes, that's right. You should make sure to listen to [manager], because he's the boss.

She was both patronising and stupid. Just what I've come to expect really. From the last few months of job searching, that is the attitude I've come to expect. Every time I even ask, it's always 'Oh I'm sorry love, you have to be 14 *and 9 months* to work here. You're just not quite old enough sorry. I'm not sure why you'd want to work anyway... but sorry, you need to be older." How many times do I need to be told that I need to be older to work? Three times apparently. Oh, and what will three months do to make me more inclined to get a job? OK, if I wasn't going to be able to find a job for another 3 months I might be more desperate to find a job, but if I wasn't already looking for a job, why would I want a job any more at 14 and nine months than at 14 and a half?

I shall stop here, as this is going in a direction that will most likely land me a warning.


***DISCLAIMER***
I am not knocking anyone. I'll note that I actually have a form of autism (Asperger's, for those who must know) myself, and the 10 school years of daily being called a retard and two years of attending a school at which around 20% of the students had some form of disability (ranging from Down syndrome to cystic fibrosis to all areas of the autistic spectrum) have given me nothing but sympathy for the genuinely impaired. I am sure that close to all members of this forum have above-average intelligence; it is not you guys I'm talking about, it's other people who I come into contact with day in, day out.
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« Reply #2 on: January 26, 2007, 06:05:35 PM »

i noticed in THE movie Heat Val kilmer has a huge lump on his elbow in a few of the scenes, the things like the size of a tennis ball
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« Reply #3 on: January 27, 2007, 02:47:17 AM »

I noticed two things while watching Kate play Lufia The Fortress of Doom on an SNES emulator.

1. Innocent and hapless civilians always know something they probably wouldn't otherwise know in reality. "The princess is lost you say? I heard she is kidnapped, and is being held in the red tower, just south of here, on the top floor, down the right past the bathroom, behind a false wall in a broom closet, in a small mahogony trunk ... but hey, I could be wrong. I just work here. Bai!"

2. There was a tavern in one of the dungeons she was questing through and I realised that that is so nice. I mean, what do all the NPC baddies do when they aren't lurking in the shadows, ready to spring upon some poor unwitting adventurer? I can just imagine the tavern when the NPC baddies knock-off from work.

"Hey Bill, how was it?"
"Same ol', same ol'. I tried the usual 'waving my tentacles' routine, striking them after they strike me, sometimes draining them of MPs, but you know ... they won ... again."
"Sounds like my day alright. And they took all my gold coins too."
"Are you going to be okay for the next shout?"
"Yeah, the adventurers never check my socks for the rest of my emergency funds..."
"I think the evil wizard need to hire on some more staff; they get by us too easily. Maybe we can actually have some training seminars or something..."
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« Reply #4 on: February 04, 2007, 09:35:37 PM »

I once had a convo about Zelda games concerning Link. The way he wields the sword above his head when he finds it or gets an upgrade. What mostly bothered me, is that he always, always ALWAYS loses all his stuff. Including his sword. I mean, what kind of idiot do you have to be to have to collect all your equipment again at the start of each adventure?

As for other things I've noticed. I tend to notice a lot of deja vu's for some reason. It's freaky sometimes. :/
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« Reply #5 on: February 07, 2007, 01:34:45 PM »

I have noticed that no matter what I do, there is always too much month left at the end of the money.  
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« Reply #6 on: February 08, 2007, 01:25:09 AM »

I've noticed that this is a "things you've noticed" thread even though it's been going on for days. Does that count?

No seriously, these sensations rarely happen to me, much to perceptive most of the time.
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« Reply #7 on: February 08, 2007, 03:13:33 AM »

I noticed IQ is a function of age, IQ100 means you think like someone of your own age, and based on your age, each point might either be a full year of intelligence or half of one or whatever.

This ofcourse explains why my IQ has dropped from 126 to 113 over the last few years, as my age increases, my knowledge is not increasing at the same rate, im learning less each year, eventually it'll hit 100 and either stay that way or I'll learn less and less each year til im thinking like someone far younger than my actual age.

Ofcourse the problem with an IQ test is it assumes that age and intelligence are static values, not things that can be altered based on a persons studies.
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« Reply #8 on: February 08, 2007, 04:32:46 PM »

Quote from: zeratulcraft
Ofcourse the problem with an IQ test is it assumes that age and intelligence are static values, not things that can be altered based on a persons studies.


IQ tests are overvalued most of the time and often of crap quality. Just take one several times in a row and watch your IQ "grow" spontaneously  

Over here 3% of the population has an IQ beneath 70. However most of them have a good social adaptation capability to easily function within society. So only 1% of the population could be considered handicapped in that region. With 100 being the average. So, not that much people are stupid and frankly for the one "genius" you only require one "stupid person" to balance it out. Just like the fraction of above average is as big as below average. There's a difference of course how someone with a very high IQ would perceive the world and everyone else. It's a distorted vision of reality actually.

Apart from that, the environment you grow up in influences as well. If you've never seen a computer and have absolutely no idea what it is, does or look and you meet someone who starts to talk about it and then blames you for being stupid because you have no idea what the hell is going on, then that's not really stupid either. Just like the first colonization dudes in the USA thought that Indians were stupid or that all african tribes were backwards.

IQ's not the only thing of course, there's also EQ and SQ and all sorts of other Q's relating to specific fields correlated with the human brain and interaction of the environment around it. So, you might say "You're stupid because your IQ is 100 and mine is 101!", however this person might be better in the emotional and social field and therefore far more effective in life.

[!--quoteo--][div class=\'quotetop\']QUOTE[/div][div class=\'quotemain\'][!--quotec--]That's all fine and good, but why the hell must people feel the need to assume that everyone is even more stupid than themselves. When I talk to people, I talk to them as equals. Why then, must these same people have to speak to me as if I am utterly stupid, or have little grasp of the English language? Every time I have someone speak to me as such, I am forced to make a judgement on them, in the same way as they had already made a judgement on me. Invariably, it is either that they have an extremely large ego, a superiority complex, or think that I am stupid, or some combination of the above.[/quote]

If someone fails to be able to communicate correctly with other people, they are considered an imbecile, whether their IQ is 160+ or just 100. That has nothing to do with IQ or how smart they are or how nice, but with social interaction and communication with other people. And if they have trouble with social and communicative skills, then there's a high chance that they think they're doing is totally ok while stacking error upon error upon error in the eyes of the ones they interact with. (If that doesn't make any sense, think of all the newbies joining this place who can't seem to write english decently apart from the msn language they picked up somewhere.)

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That was nice to slack off with, so yeah... things I've noticed.

I noticed that when you pass Utrecht and head east, the world seems to change. For once, everyone is white all of a sudden. Which is strange since R'dam is a multicultural mix where most people are tanned and I'm pretty much used to this. Whenever I go to the east past Utrecht, it's like I'm in a different country. Really, really weird.
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« Reply #9 on: February 09, 2007, 02:03:55 AM »

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It's a distorted vision of reality actually.

The thing I've noticed is that it seems there is no reality. Seriously, how can one define reality? What we think is green may be blue for other animals or even to handicapped humans, not to mention insects. A surface we perceive as smooth would feel rough to a being with more sensitive fingers. And how we perceive the actions and other people is even more extreme. There are a lot of things we don't notice or misintrerpret, therefore having a different image of what has happened than someone else who intrepreted it differently. Heck, most of the time we don't even understand ourselves, and the true reasons behind our own actions, so how can you blame others for not understanding you?

Also, interpretations of a person's actions can be warped by past experiences with that person and by your already existing opinion of him/her, so you have to be really open-minded and objective (as much of a joke as that is) to not let your opinions get the better of you. By that I mean that if you already have a set opinion of a person from the moment you met, you're likely to interpret all of the person's actions according to your opinion, therefore only reinforcing that opinion rather than changing it. It's somewhat of a slippery slope.... Unless you make an effort to stop yourself, you keep sliding down, and even if you do make an effort, there's no guarantee it will be much use, you may still tend to dislike that person.

You could say each of us lives in their own dream world. And considering that even humans all perceive the world differently, never mind the other animals, the only way we can define 'reality' is accept a certain version of perception of the world as the standard everyone will refer to, 'everyone'  meaning all the beings we can really communicate with. Makes you wonder how we would communicate with aliens... "Wow, that fabric you have there is really smooth. Oh, 'smooth' is what we call a surface when it doesn't have bumps or irregularities... What? Why are you looking at me like that?"    
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« Reply #10 on: February 09, 2007, 10:12:40 AM »

Of course there is reality. Jump off a high tower and realize how real gravity is.

That apart, reality is like normal. And normal is not something set to one point but all sorts within certain boundaries that mark it. Kinda like homeostasis of every human body. And like homeostasis only applying to humans. We're not talking about dungbeetles and elephants here (although very interesting perhaps), but human beings. There's always a distorted vision of reality with everyone. Some small, some big. Some within the boundaries that are acceptable, some which are not. I'm simply pointing out that there is a distortion compared to what's known when it comes to facts, not blaming or anything, which would be futile.
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« Reply #11 on: February 10, 2007, 04:19:51 PM »

[!--quoteo--][div class=\'quotetop\']QUOTE[/div][div class=\'quotemain\'][!--quotec--]Of course there is reality. Jump off a high tower and realize how real gravity is.[/quote]

Yes, but yet again, if you jump off a tower holding a giant umbrella or a very large bunch of balloons filled with heated air, you'll have a very different perception of gravity (or even none at all) than if you just step off.


[!--quoteo--][div class=\'quotetop\']QUOTE[/div][div class=\'quotemain\'][!--quotec--]I'm simply pointing out that there is a distortion compared to what's known when it comes to facts[/quote]
True, but then we have to re-assess our definiton of fact. Facts aren't true to 'everyone' but only to people with a certain type of perception, one that fits between the boundaries you mentioned.
That mostly works for very simple facts, things we consider axioms, like grass being green, parallel lines never intersecting, etc. If 98% of the population had a distorted vision that allowed them to actually see those lines intersect, it wouldn't be the axiom it is.

With more complicated facts, such as supposedly 'verified' relations of past events, we have the problem with the lack of possibility of true verification. (I'll just let the topic shift here, since the other is pretty much exhausted, unless you have more to add.) Any narration of an event is automatically an interpretation. Even which details you tell and which you leave out changes the view of the events.
It's one thing if you report "Fourty civilians were killed by policemen during the latest riot." It's another if you add "The actions of the police saved another three hundred civilians from imminent death."
It's one of the ways the modern media can lie while telling the truth. And it's one of the reasons I'm glad our TV broke down. XDDD


Oh, another thing I've noticed. Here in Germany, it's become legal for police to attempt to send their own trojans into other people's computers, people they supposedly consider terrorists. On top of that, Microsoft can disable a system any time by sending the right effects in one of their auto-updates. (It's how I suspect our Windows 2000 became no longer functioning, forcing us to move on to XP, which doesn't perform ANY better!) And on top of THAT, ALL new computers will only be compatible with the new Windows Vista, another version that, in performance, will be no better than the last, but will take up a lot more space and have a mysterious kernel that will be doing something no one except Microsoft will know. Supposedly it will also have a better auto-update system.

Anyway, if they, as I suspect, use the auto-update function to disable all Windows XPs, it will FORCE people to buy new systems that are no better than the last (and for gamers and artists are actually worse, with the sytem taking up so much memory), and are only different in having something that's useful not to the users but to Microsoft. And buying the Windows Vista will also force many to buy new computers. OUR computer is better-than-average, and it wouldn't be able to run the Vista.

Not to mention the fact that there are cameras in most stores and buses by now.

The corollary of it all: I've seen too much I - Robot and V for Vendetta-like movies and become paranoid. Either way, the government will soon control us aaaaaaaaaaaallllll!!!!
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« Reply #12 on: February 10, 2007, 06:40:43 PM »

Quote from: Liallan
True, but then we have to re-assess our definiton of fact. Facts aren't true to 'everyone' but only to people with a certain type of perception, one that fits between the boundaries you mentioned.

Which is already so, there's no re-assessment needed. The amount of people who perceive things differently are rather small, so small that they don't matter as they are far outside the boundaries of normal. Facts always have exceptions. There's always one that confirms it by being different. So we have a reality and there's people who perceive it distorted. Whether they know it or not. (I think that was pretty clear from the beginning, no? o_O) Anyway, I have nothing more to add. Too much nitpicking for my liking over the use of words. Unless this was some sort of philosphical exercise for you.

As for the rest of the post:

- Microsoft is evil
- Big Brother is watching you
- News and media are almost never objective


Things I've noticed:
- Belgium tv has some really good documentaries and analyzes concerning the world in such a way that it easily outclasses related programs on dutch tv.
- Vegans can be quite fanatical
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« Reply #13 on: February 12, 2007, 07:46:58 AM »

I only ever get my good dreams interupted
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« Reply #14 on: February 24, 2007, 05:40:22 PM »

Trains can not be relied on.  
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« Reply #15 on: February 24, 2007, 10:08:11 PM »

I noticed i havent double posted yet....

I noticed i havent double posted yet....
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« Reply #16 on: February 24, 2007, 10:33:19 PM »

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I noticed i havent double posted yet....

I noticed i havent double posted yet....


I have noticed you have an orange in your sig and I want one  
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« Reply #17 on: February 25, 2007, 10:39:03 AM »

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Trains can not be relied on.  

That's an international thing I fear...
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« Reply #18 on: February 25, 2007, 11:46:24 AM »

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That's an international thing I fear...

I think Angua is probably going on about a train which crashed quite close to her on Friday killing one person.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6393867.stm
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« Reply #19 on: February 25, 2007, 11:56:35 AM »

Aaah. I thought she meant the general reliability of the train arriving on time and leaving as scheduled and stuff. Like we have over here.

That's sad, but stuff like that happens like car accidents and airplanes falling out of the sky. Not like you can do anything about that. There's never 100% guarantee that things will go right of course.
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