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Who Wants To See Bernie Sanders Naked? Anyone? Anyone?
« on: March 15, 2016, 09:10:18 AM »

(As per mod request, moved to new thread from "Growing Up," as it was a bit of a tangent/hijack).


Premise: having a digital record of one's childhood and teenage years is now the norm. (I read a sci-fi where it was termed "assorted juvenelia," which I thought was fairly clever). Hell, kids born since 2010 or so will have immortalized baby pictures in the caches of Google and FB. Someone with the know-how could probably dredge up everything almost anyone in most internet-connected cultures has done in the last fifteen years, give or take (measuring to the advent of personal computers becoming ubiquitous).

Sometimes we make fun of it. Recently, some celeb mag re-posted Taylor Swift's myspace photos and conversations with her friends (http://www.masslive.com/entertainment/index.ssf/2016/03/cringeworthy_posts_from_taylor_1.html). All inside jokes and cute t-shirts. Sometimes it's more serious -- note "the Fappening"/#FapGate of 2014 and the associated legal cases and costs, as well as conversation about what it means that sexy selfies are a common part of being a sexual adult (or near-adult, seeing as teens start taking nude images of themselves and friends before anyone wants to admit they do) nowadays. We still tell kids to be careful what they put online, but it's normal to have your real name, your real pictures and videos attached to accounts, daisychained across platforms, in a way that it just wasn't back when forums like the Hall were a primary mode of group communication. Sock puppets, multiple e-mail accounts for anonymity... some corners of the web still do that, but not many.

I'm just curious how long it'll take until, as part of a major political cycle, nudes of all the candidates are released as part of the campaign. I mean, I don't want to see Bernie Sanders or Hillary Clinton or (*shudder*) Donald Trump naked. But I -- only half jokingly -- reckon that sooner or later it'll be just a matter of getting it out of the way before they can get down to the real business of corruption, backstabbing, and mudslinging. In a campaign where the length of a candidate's fingers is fair game (http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/2015/10/graydon-carter-donald-trump) and said candidate responds with a defensive claim about his penis size... well, we don't have far to go.

Wanna take bets? I figure that if it happens in the US (I can see Australia getting down to business, but don't know enough to make predictions) it'll be somewhere around... 2036.  I would be surprised if there's not something of a backlash against the current trend of increasingly aged fields of candidates, so we'll see slightly younger politicians. That means folks who got their first camera phones in their teens and 20s. So. Yup.

Bets? Responses from those familiar with other political systems and trends?

I bet I get like noooo replies.
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Re: Who Wants To See Bernie Sanders Naked? Anyone? Anyone?
« Reply #1 on: March 16, 2016, 08:32:15 PM »

I have no desire to see any of them naked. That is my comment.
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Re: Who Wants To See Bernie Sanders Naked? Anyone? Anyone?
« Reply #2 on: March 16, 2016, 09:05:26 PM »

Premise: having a digital record of one's childhood and teenage years is now the norm. (I read a sci-fi where it was termed "assorted juvenelia," which I thought was fairly clever). Hell, kids born since 2010 or so will have immortalized baby pictures in the caches of Google and FB. Someone with the know-how could probably dredge up everything almost anyone in most internet-connected cultures has done in the last fifteen years, give or take (measuring to the advent of personal computers becoming ubiquitous).

I think these are two thoughts bundled into one. At one hand there's the issue of everything being digitally logged from the day you were born, and how it impacts people. At the other there's the hectic madness of US politics and whether or not it will go so low to even post nude pictures of candidates in an attempt to destroy them.

In regard to the second thought, I honestly believe that US politics as it currently is and functions is effed up beyond reason. The two party system with winner-takes-all does not work and the media are crap, biased and ignorant. Personally I think that the people themselves are responsible for the current mess, as they swallow what's offered, and then proceed to vote for the people who will not change their system in a way that's beneficial to them, but based on the short term lies that are spun. Very human though, in Europe it's sometimes not much different. In such an atmosphere it's only a matter of time before the next opportunity to damage someone will be exploited, because damaging others in public pays off in such an environment. So, in regards to your question, will it happen?, yes I believe it will happen if the opportunity arises and the system has not changed by then.

That leaves the first thought, which I find more interesting, what will be the impact of everything being digitally logged of everyone from the day you were born? It's something that's becoming more real every day. Especially when I look at young parents posting everything of their children on FB. I have to admit that I cannot oversee the consequences of that behaviour or whether or not it will remain a part of our lives. I suspect it will, and will also increase. However I also think that there will always be a private side outside the internet especially if governments take more and more control. Who knows, ordinary sites such as this, will one day become part of the dark web just to ensure people some privacy and freedom of expression.
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Re: Who Wants To See Bernie Sanders Naked? Anyone? Anyone?
« Reply #3 on: March 16, 2016, 10:41:58 PM »

In response to your paragraph about US politics, Darkon, my question is more about when a nude picture will entirely lose efficacy as a tool to damage one's reputation, even in the arena of politics. I imagine a day when it would be a matter of course. Imagine: "[name] announced her candidacy today, and these are her pictures, sent to us by her campaign manager for public release. It seems like she may have had some work done on her breasts...."

I'm only half joking.

Wait, we're not already part of the dark web? Last I checked, we were on like page fifteen when you searched "hall of worlds forum" on google.... which is dark enough for most people. :P
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Re: Who Wants To See Bernie Sanders Naked? Anyone? Anyone?
« Reply #4 on: March 17, 2016, 07:22:41 AM »

It is past time that nude pictures and 'sex tapes' stopped having the power to ruin reputations and lives. As long as everything is legal and everyone is consenting, then you should be able to let your freak flag fly and not have to worry. I don't trust our country to get to that point any time soon though, so I am sure we can look forward to continued firings and scandals going forward.

I don't want a world where it is common to release our nude photos and 'sex tapes' before someone else has a chance to do it. I'd rather it be a world where our propensity to take pictures of our junk isn't an issue that needs reported on at all. Even if that reporting makes it easier to indulge in my fetish for elderly politicians.

Sex tape is in quotes because it feels like outdated terminology, but 'sex videos' sounds weird and I can't come up with anything else.
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Re: Who Wants To See Bernie Sanders Naked? Anyone? Anyone?
« Reply #5 on: March 18, 2016, 07:59:52 AM »

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... that reporting makes it easier to indulge in my fetish for elderly politicians.
Just going to point out that "Watching politicians talk as punishment" is a listed option for fetish on FetLife, that arbiter of fetishes. (There is also a group for "Spanking against Banking" ("Feel the Bern while feeling the burn")... though, I'd personally have titled it "Spankers against Bankers," but hey, can't win 'em all.

I worry that you're right. :/
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Re: Who Wants To See Bernie Sanders Naked? Anyone? Anyone?
« Reply #6 on: March 18, 2016, 01:11:21 PM »

I encourage all nudity.
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Re: Who Wants To See Bernie Sanders Naked? Anyone? Anyone?
« Reply #7 on: March 23, 2016, 08:15:07 AM »

While I happily try to ignore North American politricks, I came here to say that I want to see him naked. That is all.
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Re: Who Wants To See Bernie Sanders Naked? Anyone? Anyone?
« Reply #8 on: March 23, 2016, 03:08:29 PM »

While I happily try to ignore North American politricks, I came here to say that I want to see him naked. That is all.

Which sparks my curiousity as to why you would want that? (Note: don't mind, just curious about motivation)
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Re: Who Wants To See Bernie Sanders Naked? Anyone? Anyone?
« Reply #9 on: March 23, 2016, 06:32:04 PM »

Oh I want to see everyone naked. Call it curiosity. It's not even sexual (well sometimes it is), it's perhaps more from an artistic stance? There are infinite variations in form and we hide our physical differences beneath layers of prudish societal programming. That and clothes.

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Re: Who Wants To See Bernie Sanders Naked? Anyone? Anyone?
« Reply #10 on: March 24, 2016, 03:28:54 AM »

... What counts as a f**king 'variation in form'? Infinite is pushing it, even if you include... er, number of pubic hairs a given individual has.
Come to think of it though, variations in men's chest hair is the most amusing part, I think. Asymmetrical. Random patches. Those three long dark hairs when the rest is blonde. You know, the stuff a girl tells her girl friends about.

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Re: Who Wants To See Bernie Sanders Naked? Anyone? Anyone?
« Reply #11 on: March 24, 2016, 06:26:19 AM »

To be honest, as soon as I posted it and went to bed I was arguing my own use of the word infinite.
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