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Another Nakor discussion
« on: January 10, 2005, 07:31:56 AM »

There were no active discussions so i thought i'd make a new one.
one thing that piqued my interest upon re-reading exiles return (properly this time) is
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Did anyone notice that Kalkin is Banath or the god of thieves... the master of tricks or the prankster... he is filling in for the god of knowledge.. in wodar-hispurs (sp?)  absence. Now this has to have something to do with nakor... Like it was a hint or something..
yet he started a temple for a different god, perhaps .. so he can't be an agent can he ?
a dream of arch-indar / hildy. what..
it makes me wonder so much
remember how hildy said it is all tricks aswell..


thats my guess anyway... remember how hildy said it is all tricks aswell..

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« Reply #1 on: January 11, 2005, 01:52:48 AM »

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I have for long believed that Nakor isn't fully human, but then isn't a dream either. I'm thinking along the lines of demigod.
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« Reply #2 on: January 11, 2005, 12:13:41 PM »

Nakor is the great grandson of the first Empress of Kesh.
A horrid reminder of the time she got drunk with that donkey.
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« Reply #3 on: January 15, 2005, 01:56:24 AM »

Personally, I think Nakor is done.  Me may well do some impressive magic acts in the future, but I doubt we will see any great revelations about who he is, or what he is, or what his purpose is.  Everything to know about Nakor has been explained, I don't see any mysteries.
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« Reply #4 on: January 15, 2005, 11:15:27 AM »

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Personally, I think Nakor is done.  Me may well do some impressive magic acts in the future, but I doubt we will see any great revelations about who he is, or what he is, or what his purpose is.  Everything to know about Nakor has been explained, I don't see any mysteries.
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If there arent any Mysteries, then would you like to explain just who or wat Nakor is then?
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« Reply #5 on: January 16, 2005, 04:35:02 PM »

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Agreed....there is almost zero info on Nakor's background...I would love to see what he did as a youth....maybe he worked at McDonald's, or something else as interesting...
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« Reply #6 on: January 16, 2005, 04:54:45 PM »

Yeah that would be great if Nakor worked at McDonalds. Imagine all the "tricks" he could do to actually make the food taste good!!! But back in those days, i would rather die then eat, you never know wat that meat would be!!!
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« Reply #7 on: January 16, 2005, 05:13:17 PM »

Nakor makes the books for me. He's one of the best fictional characters i've come across, and i'm pretty sure the "mysteries" surounding Nakor will have relevance soon.  Theres just too much unknown to leave as is.

Heres hopin.

Oh and i swear they employ Needra at Macca's.  Cook em as well.

That reminds me, Munchies.
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« Reply #8 on: January 16, 2005, 05:59:11 PM »

Nakor is deffenetly more the human. He has something to do with gods, I think there´s also no doubt on that one.
But then the queston: Wich god, or more then one? maybe he´s some kind of ´runner´ who runs between all the gods to help them with all their duties.
And that brings the questions what are the gods and do they have really specific tasks, and do they see everything what happens on the earth?? Cause if they don´t then Naor can´t be a ´runner´.

Also what still makes me wonder is that Nakor dicides on a lot of things, it doesn´t look like someone is pointing directions for him.
I hope that ref reveils a bit more about him. I mean for sure he will live some nice long years, so he must be mentioned in the books again!



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« Reply #9 on: January 16, 2005, 10:49:05 PM »

Well, I posted this in my Nakor thread which everyone seemed to have dissed once I wrote my big speal on him. So I'll post it in here, where it will hopefully get a better response.

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You know how Nakor talks about that Arch-Indar woman that Kaspar meets near the Halls of the Dead in Exile's Return and he says she was like a dream from the god. And also in the Serpentwar Saga, he said that Zaltais was also a dream, im guessing a dream by Nalar. The reason they had to banish it was because you cannont kill it, only send it back to where it came from.

So like, Zaltais was sent back to Nalar, under his planet sized mountain and sun sized planet. Hence Pug feeling Nalar alittle when trying to close the rift and seal Zaltais back there.

That's why Nakor has never really been hurt, because he is most likely Wodar-Hospur's dream. He can't be killed, he can only be sent back to where he came from. Which to my knowledge no one knows, OR how can you send a dream of a lost/dead god back to nothing?

Also, with Nakor finding the The Codex of Wodar-Hospur and Nakor saying someone had sent him on that mission to find it gives all the more reason to show that he is Wodar-Hospur's dream and agent on Midkemia.

Much the same as Macros was Sarig's agent on Midkemia, or even possibly his dream. I mean, we have no solid facts even pointing out that Macros is indeed dead. Macros could be one in the same as Nakor.


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« Reply #10 on: January 16, 2005, 11:01:06 PM »

nakor has met macros though.. so definitely not the same.
and he is to real to be a dream, they are fleeting images, only visible for short periods of time, in a particular place etc.

he is not an agent in the conclave though.. which is interesting.

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« Reply #11 on: January 17, 2005, 02:08:01 AM »

You misunderstood.

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I dont mean Nakor and Macros ARE the same people, I mean that they both could be dreams of the sort. And again you are wrong about he is too real, do you remember Zaltais? He was pretty darn real to me, he managed to make his way to Midkemia and bust out on Nakor and send him flying along with Tomas, Pug and Miranda. Very, very real.
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« Reply #12 on: January 17, 2005, 03:36:27 AM »

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Wat makes you think that Nakor isnt part of the Conclave? He is helping out and it was never mentioned that he wasnt in the group! About Nakor being a dream? I think that is not like;y, cause if he was a dream of Wodar-Hospur then he wouldnt have needed that Codex, he would already have the knowledge wouldnt he? I also doubt that Macros was a dream also cause otherwise he wouldnt be trying to be one with Sarig. And like Ray has said alot of times "Macros is dead!" There my thoughts anyways, i have no idea who Nakor really is, but hope we all find out soon enough! Possibly a Agent, or maybe he really is who he claims to be, just a gambler with tricks.
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« Reply #13 on: January 17, 2005, 04:17:34 AM »

hmm.. spoiler
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Remember the statue with the faces of all the members of the conclave, it never showed nakor's face, and he said he wasn't a part of it because he knows that magic does not exist

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« Reply #14 on: January 17, 2005, 05:41:00 AM »

The Conclave isn't about magic though, Nakor IS a member of the Conclave though. Otherwise Pug would of scooted him off, I mean the man recruits for them.
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« Reply #15 on: January 17, 2005, 06:01:43 AM »

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I'm almost covniced that Sidi (Varen), is a dream of Nalars.  Also remembering that it was said that a God's dream CAN be real.  It doesnt mean they are any less active, it's just speculation on how they came about!
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« Reply #16 on: January 17, 2005, 08:57:39 AM »

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Yes Nakor is a member to think about it. At the end of Shards, Nakor was in the room when Pug made the Conclave of Shadows, and Suli is right that the Group isnt about Magic or otherwise Talon, Alysandra and alot of other members wouldnt be there. Im also still not conviced that Sidi is a Dream, unless someone can give me solid details or i re-read the books. Because if he was a "Dream" of Nalar, wouldnt he have been in all of the books trying to kill Midkemia? He has really done nothing at all, so he is probably just learning and growing more and more.
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« Reply #17 on: January 17, 2005, 09:58:59 PM »

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Nakor is an Isalani.  He is human.  He can do magic, which in itself isn't amazing since there are thousands of magicians in the world. He found the Codex, from which he has gained all his greater knowledge, such as the history of the world, the ability to do powerful magic etc.


What has he ever done which can't be explained by the above?
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« Reply #18 on: January 18, 2005, 04:34:34 AM »

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Wat you said about your explanation had absalutely no new knowledge then "ALL" of us already know! You said that you knew wat he is and who he is, and all you did was say information about him that has been in the books!!! So in other words you know nothing about wat he really is!
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« Reply #19 on: January 18, 2005, 08:15:36 AM »

Saying that there is no mysteries surrounding Nalor is extremly naive!  if you think you know everything there is to know, you obviously have no appreciation for Rays books!

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