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« on: April 16, 2006, 09:40:13 PM »

Well, I don't know if it got here on Tuesday, or not...I was deluged by customers wanting their cars repaired....so I bought it yesterday, and of course, read it entirely yesterday. Of course, I paid full price for it at Barnes and Noble...although I had to go to the SF section to find it...it was not in the "new fiction" area like other new SF/Fantasy novels were....

My Critique: I really didn't want to put it down. This is the first time, in any of the Feist novels, that you really had no f---ing clue as to what was going to happen next. Without getting into details to spoil the book for other USA readers who haven't been able to get it yet...there has never been a Feist novel quite like this one, where you had so many different people, trying to meet the same goal, from so many different directions. Once you read it, you will understand. And somehow or another, it works. I had a large hunch that the bad guy would appear as one of the Keshian Nobility...but close to the end of the book, hell, I really had no clue...very interesting ending....and of course, with that style of ending, simply opens the door for a much larger confrontation. This is not the 10-year-or-so epic that 'Magician" was, but there is enough action going on to more than make up for it.
What I like:

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1. Magnus's impatience....and the power he possesses not to worry about the consequences of some of his actions....I really enjoyed the magic bomb sewer trap scene, and the death hall visit("fix him...now!").
2. We really get to know more about Caleb.

3. This is a book my older sons can read. I would like to introduce all of Feist's works to my two older sons...but due to some of the racy material contained within (prince of the blood, the Serpentwar saga, the first two of the conclave series...Exiles Return excluded) some of the other books, I would like to hold for a few more years. I personally understand why it is in there, as this is a bit of reality within fiction: Sex was, and still is, a weapon to be used, in addition to the other effects that thinking with your pee-pee, instead of your brain, can do for you. This is not a major problem, because they will have a lifetime to read the other books, when they are older.


What I didn't like:
1. Punctuation errors. They were all over the place. I don't think it was on Ray's end, as this should have been caught during editing.
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2. Erik almost dying while an invalid, his resurrection...and then being completely ignored for the rest of the book: Yes, I know that these are fictional characters. Yes, I know that they do not exist. The one thing that has been a bit unsettling, in Feist's later works, is this: We spend an entire novel getting to know a character, sometimes two, three, or even four novels...(the serpentwar saga, for example)...it is a pleasure seeing a familiar character return, or at least get something more than a "well, he died" reference to those characters. At least have them all die in some titanic explosion, violent death by extreme flatulence, or something a little more honorable...lol. At least in this novel, Erik gets more than a "well, he is the old fart standing by the king/he died peacefully in his sleep/he fell off of a skyscraper"..okay, that never happened, but hey, a guy can dream, right?. This is not to be a criticsm, for I know that you only have so much room for a story when writing it...this is just my personal dislike. I wouldn't mind a little more of a "where is he now" side story about a character we all get wrapped up in...other than that, a great book.


3.5 stars...out of 4. The only reason it didn't get 4 stars? I have to wait for the other books to come out.
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« Reply #1 on: April 17, 2006, 11:20:21 AM »

Please use Spoiler Tags in future, I know you have not done many spoilers but there are some.
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« Reply #2 on: April 17, 2006, 09:25:41 PM »

I have never performed a "spoiler"...because I can't read them on this site. Is there any reason why I can't read them? My post was altered to include the spoilers, and I can no longer see what I wrote...lol....
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« Reply #3 on: April 17, 2006, 11:34:37 PM »

Here's my take:
I just finished Flight of the Nighthawks the other day, and can't say that I was totally impressed, although it was good.

Several things in the book were mentioned and then ignored.
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This would be referencing the development with the Talnoy and Erik von Darkmoor.
Although I'm sure will be continued with in Into a Dark Realm and Wrath of a Mad God, but seemed like they could have been pushed off.

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I myself never thought that He Who is Kesh was the one posessed by Leso Varen, and was amazed at that development.


I think that Ray did too much reviewing past books in Flight of the Nighthawks. I mean, sure if it is a new trilogy, you'll get new readers who need to know stuff but the amount of reviewing he did was ridiculus!
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« Reply #4 on: April 18, 2006, 01:43:13 AM »

Quote from: ButtSlappingPirate
I have never performed a "spoiler"...because I can't read them on this site. Is there any reason why I can't read them? My post was altered to include the spoilers, and I can no longer see what I wrote...lol....

Are you holding down the left mouse button and highlighting the spoiler text?
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« Reply #5 on: April 19, 2006, 12:49:45 AM »

I liked it. Having not read the series since Exile's Return came out, it was good to get a nice review of all the characters. One of the things I really like about Feist is the entire history you've witnessed. It's cool to say "I remember Jimmy the Hand!" or "Oh yeah, the Emerald Queen!" It's a different, but cool part of his writing.

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It is true that he ignored the Talnoy threat throughout the meat of the book. I also felt he ignored Tad and Zane far too much in the latter chapters. They were also inconsistant characters..sometimes competent swordsmen, other times, blundering children. It was odd.
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« Reply #6 on: April 19, 2006, 10:52:24 PM »

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There was also the development of controlling the Talnoy that he ignored.
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« Reply #7 on: April 20, 2006, 06:35:17 PM »

It'll come in due time, no doubt.

Sooner in Europe

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« Reply #8 on: April 21, 2006, 01:50:53 AM »

Which is completely stupid, might I add, seeing as where Ray lives...

What else did he ignore?

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Bek or whoever, and the Nameless One inside of him.
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« Reply #9 on: April 21, 2006, 03:10:36 AM »

And he didn't add anything about big dragons and how they ruled the earth, what a stupid writer. And there wasn't enough sex...

Bloody Ray, he's not putting anyting we want in these books...

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« Reply #10 on: April 27, 2006, 02:42:18 AM »

Quote from: Boldar Blood
Are you holding down the left mouse button and highlighting the spoiler text?


Oops...I am now....Geeze, and it only took a year for me to figure that out, after asking a few times about it...

Seriously, thanks a million.
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« Reply #11 on: May 16, 2006, 04:05:15 AM »

I've been generally lurking from time to time and recently caught the word that Flight was finally out in America.  I finished it last night.  I'll avoid spoilers.

I think I can sumarize it best by saying "Welcome back, Mr. Feist.  We missed you."

I started with Feist back around 1991 and was a great fan of the Riftwar, Serpentwar and the in between books.  Those were magical days.

I've said before that I thought he really dropped the ball with the Conclave books.  They were too narrow in scope and the characters were just didn't capture me the way the earlier ones did.

Flight finally sees the return of grand story telling with many characters playing upon the stage of Midkemia.  Even the newer characters are more compelling and interesting than they were in the Conclave books.  

Were there some technical problems?  Sure, but I can forgive some of that.  I'm hopeful that this new book signals the Feist is finally coming back to what made him great.

And I curse his American publisher for holding up publication nearly a full year after the rest of the world gets it!  At least this time around, the book had some decent cover art as well.
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« Reply #12 on: May 17, 2006, 10:45:34 PM »

Quote from: ardrhys11892
Which is completely stupid, might I add, seeing as where Ray lives...

But competely convenient, might I add, seeing as where I live...

So there's ups and downs with the publishing dates for everyone. And it's probably some contractual issue.

Finally, I apologizse for only being 50% on topic, may I be spared from your wrath?
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« Reply #13 on: May 21, 2006, 04:35:34 AM »

Long time no see, everybody! I just finished the book myself. I was hoping that this series would mark a return to the depth of the Riftwar and Serpentwar series, seeing as how it's another ***war one, but sadly no, it's still "Feist Lite", as the Legacy and Conclave series were. Took me awhile to read, as I didn't find it very engaging at all. One of my biggest peeves was that teleportation was WAY overused to the point of ridiculousness. Being able to wizz back and forth to Sorcerer's Isle, or anywhere for that matter, at will whenever it suits them is just plain dumb. And then there's the final chapter before the epilogue... REALLY cheesy with some truly awful cartoony dialogue. UGH.

*sigh* Honestly, Feist hasn't written a truly good book since Rage of a Demon King, and I'm starting to doubt he ever will again.
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« Reply #14 on: May 23, 2006, 05:51:06 AM »

I agree that Ray's latest works don't compare to his earlier ones, but I still enjoy them. It's frustrating when they aren't fantastic, but its good enough for me. This book wasnt my favourite,, thats for sure, and it certainly didnt break the bad trend thats been set. But I dont know about "since rage of a demon king". I enjoyed shards of a broken crown. Not as good as RoaDK but not as bad as the newest books.

EDIT: Oh yes, and Honoured Enemy, ofcourse.
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« Reply #15 on: May 23, 2006, 08:15:41 AM »

It certainly can't be said that Ray hasn't written a good book since Rage of a Demon King, because since then he wrote Honoured Enemy, which is undoubtedly one of the greatest books set in Midkemia. Period.

That being said, one has to wonder just how much of that book is Bill and how much is Ray...
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« Reply #16 on: July 21, 2006, 06:50:17 PM »

I just finished reading this one. After coming off of the Serpent War Saga I thought the Conclave of Shadows books were really short. I was hoping this one would have been longer than it was. Overall it pretty good but there were some things that I was hoping for.

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At the end of Exiles Return Kaspar mentions wanting to go back to Novindus to check on the woman and the boy that helped for a time while he was there. Nothing of that was mentioned in this book. I liked the way the Serpent War used a lot of time developing the characters  and this one some of the characters seemed either rushed or not developed at all such as Bek and Jommy. I would have liked to heard more about Eric. I did like the way Nakor did things in the end. Leso was so worried about attacking with magic that he forgot what cold steel could do to a man.
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Overall 4 out of 5 stars.
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« Reply #17 on: July 24, 2006, 06:15:54 PM »

overall i thought it was a good book

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Magnus started to annoy me tho because of his arrogance, but that was a good thing because it developed his character, also the fact that the conclave has neglected to tell the tsurani about the 10,000 talnoy hidden in a cave is gonna have consequences....and im guessing that the talnoy are going to invade kelewan and not midkemia....and another thing i remember reading somewhere that Varen could'nt be in the body of He Who Is Kesh's grandsons because he would be under too much scutiny...would that not be the case with the Emperor? I liked the book:) i thought it was good and what makes it even better is that Kelewan is more than likely going to be the planet the sequel revolves around YAY
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