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« on: February 07, 2005, 05:59:05 PM »

I found it in hardcover for 7.99 last thursday and i'm about half-way done.  I'll reserve judgment until i've finished the whole thing, but something isn't sitting right with me right now.  I can't put a finger on it, but while I'm enjoying it, there is something bothering me.

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« Reply #1 on: February 07, 2005, 06:06:02 PM »

Because it's another "Feist Lite" series like the Krondor series, that's why.
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« Reply #2 on: February 07, 2005, 08:51:23 PM »

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Because it's another "Feist Lite" series like the Krondor series, that's why.
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That's very possible...it does seem quite watered down at times.

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It could also be that last we heard, Pug, Miranda, Nakor and Robert started the conclave, next thing you know, we're seeing Pug's uber sons and we're at the far end of the world.  It could also be because i'm only half way through and I don't even know why Robert and Magnus and Caleb are out in the middle of nowhere plotting.  I'm sure (hoping) this will be revealed by the time I finish the book but as it stands now, I feel like I just got dropped off at the theater in the middle of a movie and i'm trying to piece together what's happening.

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« Reply #3 on: February 07, 2005, 08:53:53 PM »

that's basically the jist of it, but enjoy anyway :P
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« Reply #4 on: February 08, 2005, 02:49:10 AM »

In the end it turns out the cop was really the bad guy and the weather woman was trying to save talon from being charged for loitering. I feel sorry for that weather woman...
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« Reply #5 on: February 08, 2005, 02:49:29 AM »

I think it is a great book,
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It's obvious that the Conclave had been watching the Duke Kaspar very keenly lately along with his magician friend. I mean next they ask Tal to find out stuff about him and everything, so I'm sure they were looking for infomation about Leso Varen and Kaspar and they just accidently ran into Tal.  


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« Reply #6 on: February 08, 2005, 07:00:10 AM »

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I think that Raymond E. Fiest chose to skip the period of time between the Conclave's beginning to the time when they were spying on Kaspar because he wanted to give the conclave a much more mysterious aura. I mean, it would seem fine if we witnessed it's whole upbringing from  the start, but then we would know everything from the conclave's perspective. Being introduced to the conclave through talon's eyes gave the feel that we were now witnessing an organisation that was far-reaching and very secretive.
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« Reply #7 on: February 08, 2005, 01:25:58 PM »

i agree very much with you Rorture.

i loved TotSH becasue it was the first Feist book i read so i didnt know anything about anything before that, maybe thats why i liked the way it started. becasue it was so mysterious to me, like what are they up to and what are they doing... oooOOOoooOOOoo.
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« Reply #8 on: February 09, 2005, 11:10:23 AM »

The Darkward saga will be alot more straight forward, and hopefully we'll see a little more action on the battle front. I think Ray could have really fitted most the Conclave series into 1 book or at least 2. Like the Prince of the Blood and the Kings Bucaneer. But that's just my opinion...I still enjoyed the series though and found it completely worthwhile, but it has bothered alot of Ray's readers.
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« Reply #9 on: February 09, 2005, 12:59:00 PM »

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Talon only warranted one book, really. Then they should have dealt with Kaspar's journey. The book just went too bloody long about nothing. I mean, fishing?? Talon's girlfriends??? His jobs??? Fiest should have called it Midkemia 90210
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« Reply #10 on: February 09, 2005, 01:06:38 PM »

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I believe the reason for Ray to write about the Girls, Training, Fishing, ect, was to show us how the Conclave worked and wat they did to bring there members up.
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« Reply #11 on: February 09, 2005, 03:11:30 PM »

Yes, Magnus. Probably right but he could have fitted that stuff in between two books instead of three.
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« Reply #12 on: February 10, 2005, 12:55:05 AM »

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Yes, Magnus. Probably right but he could have fitted that stuff in between two books instead of three.
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I agree, I think Talon's story should have been all one book, even then the book would have only been as large as one of the Serpantwar books or Empire books.

Kaspers story should be a seperate story which is why I thought Exiles Return worked well.
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« Reply #13 on: February 10, 2005, 04:31:08 AM »

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The Darkward saga will be alot more straight forward, and hopefully we'll see a little more action on the battle front. I think Ray could have really fitted most the Conclave series into 1 book or at least 2. Like the Prince of the Blood and the Kings Bucaneer. But that's just my opinion...I still enjoyed the series though and found it completely worthwhile, but it has bothered alot of Ray's readers.
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Count me bothered.  I'll try to hold out hope until Exile arrives in America, but so far, the old Feist magic hasn't been working in these books.
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« Reply #14 on: February 10, 2005, 12:19:09 PM »

I don't want to sound um... arrogant or something here. But aren't we really having extremelly high expectations of Ray? I mean his books are great, all of them, even the Krondor Series and the Riftwar Legacy books are great compared to many authors I've read.

All his books are great, except I think we keep hoping for something outstandingly great, which is impossible. Not trying to be annoying or anything, I just thought that it needed to be pointed out.
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« Reply #15 on: February 10, 2005, 12:52:08 PM »

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I don't want to sound um... arrogant or something here. But aren't we really having extremelly high expectations of Ray? I mean his books are great, all of them, even the Krondor Series and the Riftwar Legacy books are great compared to many authors I've read.

All his books are great, except I think we keep hoping for something outstandingly great, which is impossible. Not trying to be annoying or anything, I just thought that it needed to be pointed out.
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i have to totally agree it really annoys me reading things about how some books arent up to standard and arent as good and blah blah. I think after as many books as he has written he is allowed to slack off if he so wishes not that i think he has! i love the conclave! grrr!
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« Reply #16 on: February 10, 2005, 04:11:05 PM »

Look, if authors are going to write half assed stories then people have the right to be disappointed and comment about it.  Who buys a book thinking that it's going to suck?  When I buy a book, I expect to read something worthwhile.  Otherwise, why are these "professional" authors being published?  If that's the case, why don't I just sit down and make up my own stories and never buy a book again?

One thing i've noticed from the many Fantasy forums i've participated in is that people put their favorite authors on a pedestal and treat them like they can do no wrong.  At times over the years I've felt like I was dealing with teeny boppers and their musical idols.

I don't think that there is anything wrong with being critical with what we read.  Besides, if authors ddin't want the criticism - good or bad - they wouldn't be putting their stories out there.  Also, if all people do is tell you you're great then they are doing you a disservice.
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« Reply #17 on: February 10, 2005, 06:27:18 PM »

I dont think any one in here has ever said that "all" of Rays books are great. He writes great books and he writes good books, but he doesnt write shit books. Conclave might be disapointing with alot of ppl, but they still enjoy it. I didnt like the Krondor Series, mainly cause of the way they were explained, but i still enjoy the story behind it all. The worst book of Ray in my oppinion has been Murder in LaMut but then again it wasnt really Rays doing.
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« Reply #18 on: February 11, 2005, 04:58:50 PM »

well I just finished Talon and I thought the book was decent.  Once more, i'll probably have to read KOF to make a good judgement, but I was a tad disappointed that after 50 years of the Conclave's existence, we didn't get a hint of what they've done really.

Maybe it's cause i'm not crazy about the total break with the serpentwar saga.  I thought there should be some more continuity between the two.

The one thing i've always liked about Feist is that his writing is simple and fast paced.  A page and a half of details and in depth descriptions can be fun sometimes, but it can also get a bit much.  Just felt like this one was a bit watered down for my taste.

Is KOF out in paperback yet?  I doubt i'll find it for 7.99 anytime soon.
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« Reply #19 on: February 11, 2005, 07:49:04 PM »

Question regarding a character in this book.

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Why is Robert called Robert de Lyis in TOAS and in the Serpentwar he's refered to as Robert de Lyes?  Is that something that's covered in KOF?


thanks.
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