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« on: October 20, 2006, 09:50:33 AM »

In the last week Elvandar have released 2 maps, one a world map of Midkemia as it stands now

Seen here

Plus another map showing what the world looks like after the 5th Riftwar (roughly 500 yrs after the events in Magician).

Midkemia after 5th Riftwar

Quite a few changes have happened such as Crydee region seems to have disappeared, Sunset Islands have gone. Novindus has got bigger, WInet is slightly bigger, Triagia in general seems to have lost a fair bit of land around the coast, The Archipelago is now a lot bigger as well.

How do you think this happened? what do the changes mean to Midkemian life? Discuss...
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« Reply #1 on: October 20, 2006, 09:58:27 AM »

Well, common theory would be war or a natural disaster has taken the coast off Triagia and maybe Pug had to move a hell of a lot of water somewhere, like to a burning planet or something. I dunno. Have these maps been approved by REF?
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« Reply #2 on: October 20, 2006, 10:53:37 AM »

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Have these maps been approved by REF?

Yes, Ray has approved them.
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« Reply #3 on: October 20, 2006, 12:24:03 PM »

the problem with the explanation of war is that strange additions of land occur as well... so unless the seawaterlevel is not everywhere the same (which is impossible) it will be one hell of a job explaining how it got changed in this way...

bout Crydee: must be a tough battle whiping of the far coast...
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« Reply #4 on: October 20, 2006, 01:06:02 PM »

Crydee is gone, but of greater importance is that Elvandar has been wiped from the continent. Crydee is pointless in the larger scheme of things, simply a duchy of one nation. But Elvanadar is home to beings of power and that makes it a prime target in the larger battles to come. I'd say the destruction of Bosania was simply fallout from an attack centered on Elvandar.

Just my opinion.
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« Reply #5 on: October 20, 2006, 03:11:29 PM »

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the problem with the explanation of war is that strange additions of land occur as well... so unless the seawaterlevel is not everywhere the same (which is impossible) it will be one hell of a job explaining how it got changed in this way...

bout Crydee: must be a tough battle whiping of the far coast...
Well actully, it is possible, haven't you heard of the Panama canal, midway through you have to change water level about 2 metres.

And yes, you're right Alrin, wiping Elvandar off is a big thing.
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« Reply #6 on: October 20, 2006, 05:55:46 PM »

 

Gods... I already feel sorry for the elves.

Whatever the changes were, I don't think it had anything to do with the sea level, since, as correctly stated, it would be strange why some parts of the continents have shrunk while others were left relatively unchanged or even grew bigger. O_o Even if it's possible, like Gorath suggested, it's still... strange. Unprobable... At least I think it is.

Personally, I think it's more  of a magical cataclysm thing when.... you know, HUUUUGE chunks of landmass are torn out and hurled into the open space or something...
Hold on, that doesn't explain the parts that got bigger...

Maybe a lot of things just went really, really, REALLY wrong (like very powerful spells messed up) and it altered the laws of physics, so that such a thing as a major diference in sea level WOULD be possible.

Or, let's just call it divine intrevention and be done with it.  



And what's with the change of colour of the landmass on the maps? Is that supposed to mean anything?
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« Reply #7 on: October 20, 2006, 08:21:00 PM »

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And what's with the change of colour of the landmass on the maps? Is that supposed to mean anything?

It looks a bit radioactive

Shame about Elvandar though.
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« Reply #8 on: October 23, 2006, 10:49:17 AM »

Yeh it dosent bode well for thomas.
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« Reply #9 on: October 23, 2006, 08:29:52 PM »

well its not a natural disaster thats for sure
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« Reply #10 on: October 23, 2006, 08:55:05 PM »

I dunno... the loss of Crydee does seem to be from some form of disaster. But otherwise the changes seem to be only what make take place from erosion over a couple of hundred (thousand probably..) years. Who ever said the last riftwar directly preceeds the others? Maybe its years in the future (Of course, considering I tend not to bother reading what Feist says about his books it may have been said that it isn't...)
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« Reply #11 on: October 23, 2006, 08:59:20 PM »

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Who ever said the last riftwar directly preceeds the others? Maybe its years in the future

The time of the original Friday Nighters is 500 yrs after the first riftwar. The 5th Riftwar is before this time I believe, so a max 500 yrs.
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« Reply #12 on: October 24, 2006, 05:33:26 PM »

geography was never my best subject but i dont think 500 years is enough to make that much of a difference. That and the link on the first map that says "Click here to see how the cataclysm of the fifth Rift War changes the geography of Midkemia." leads me to believe that it is the events that take place in the 5th riftwar that cause the changes and not natural disaster.... probably some sort of cataclysm

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« Reply #13 on: October 24, 2006, 09:20:29 PM »

Heh, good point. But I have to wonder about the changes to Winet... considering we never see the continent (except for once or twice) why is there such major changes? As has been pointed out its quite understandable that Crydee or Elvandar might be targeted by some huge spell... *shrugs* why such major changes to places that have had so little importance? will they feature in the next books? or is it just random?
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« Reply #14 on: October 25, 2006, 01:57:48 AM »

I think that ray had to get rid of elvandar to get thomas more involved with the books now he can finally go places and kill things without pondering weather its worth it.
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« Reply #15 on: October 25, 2006, 05:38:39 PM »

Actually, if large masses of land were raised up around Novindus, Winat, and the archapelago, the displaced water would have to go somewhere, right?  That's probably what happened to the Far Coast and the other areas of Triagia that appear smalller.
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« Reply #16 on: October 25, 2006, 06:45:48 PM »

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in iadr when pug,nakor,marcus and ralan are on the dasati home world, Nakor notices that they are in fact in crydee, well the landmarks and such are the same. I dont know what my point is exactly, we know the two planets are linked and they share the same landmasses, maybe if the dasati world is changed, so is midkemia? I dunno maybe its nothing.
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« Reply #17 on: October 25, 2006, 09:56:01 PM »

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in iadr when pug,nakor,marcus and ralan are on the dasati home world, Nakor notices that they are in fact in crydee, well the landmarks and such are the same. I dont know what my point is exactly, we know the two planets are linked and they share the same landmasses, maybe if the dasati world is changed, so is midkemia? I dunno maybe its nothing.


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Thats actually a good point... perhaps the catastrophe is nothing to do with Midkemia at all, perhaps... crap, can't remember the dasati guys name... anyway the good guy's castle gets attacked and because of the lonk between worlds Crydee is destroyed as well.
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« Reply #18 on: October 26, 2006, 01:52:16 AM »

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I disargee because I was quite sure that Midkemia gets screwed over in the 4th or 5th Riftwar, which has nothing to do with The Dasati and what not. I remember reading it somewhere that it has to do with the Dread or beings from the 7th level of Hell.


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« Reply #19 on: October 26, 2006, 01:47:48 PM »

[!--quoteo--][div class=\'quotetop\']QUOTE[/div][div class=\'quotemain\'][!--quotec--]The time of the original Friday Nighters is 500 yrs after the first riftwar. The 5th Riftwar is before this time I believe, so a max 500 yrs.[/quote]

That would mean that Ray made up Elvandar merely for the books, unless it was somehow restored.
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