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« on: April 21, 2006, 02:50:24 PM »

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King Ryan was the king in King of Foxes book. He had no heir and Duke James is regent of the west.
In flight of the knighthawks the duke is now Erik, which must mean that Duke James is dead. But the prince of Krondor now is a Prince Robert? - can someone explain?
Also in Flight of the knighthawks Patrick is King of the isles, but in king of foxes he is dead???
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« Reply #1 on: April 21, 2006, 04:01:53 PM »

spoiler tags n00b, also this has been discussed many times before, sucked in you american loser who only just got the book..... *cough* sorry my hatred of bush manifested itself then against all yanks....

umm yeah spoiler tags
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« Reply #2 on: April 21, 2006, 08:50:38 PM »

Yeh sorry, just I can't find them, theres strikethrough,wrap in quote, and code,indent, and thats all.
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« Reply #3 on: April 21, 2006, 09:37:09 PM »

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Yeh sorry, just I can't find them, theres strikethrough,wrap in quote, and code,indent, and thats all.

Serpant see this topic for spoiler info.

Borris please don't be rude now , BTW Serpant Slayer is on the UK I believe.

I think there is some info on your questions in this topic
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« Reply #4 on: April 23, 2006, 03:13:26 AM »

BIG continuity error as far as the Patrick thing goes, but the rest wasn't a mistake.

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This was brought up quite a while ago (when Flight came out in the UK). Ray replied: (perhaps not the exact words) "right now rulership has more to do with skill than blood."
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« Reply #5 on: April 23, 2006, 08:55:21 AM »

In reference to Tal, that particular choice
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was made for ability rather then blood. It probably doesn't apply to other cases.

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« Reply #6 on: April 24, 2006, 06:49:47 AM »

This is from the list,

[!--quoteo--][div class=\'quotetop\']QUOTE[/div][div class=\'quotemain\'][!--quotec--]
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On Apr 23, 2006, at 3:18 PM, Eric Jennings wrote:
 
 [blockquote]I wondered if someone might be able to clear up some confusion for me. In Chapter 13 of Talon of the Silver Hawk, when Caleb and Talon travel through Krondor, Caleb refers to Prince Matthew, the son of King Ryan, being less than fourteen years of age, King Ryan's daughter being pledged in marriage to the nephew of the Empress of Great Kesh, and the Emperor of Queg having a cousin who is to wed King Ryan's younger son. However, in Chapters 5 and 6 of King of Foxes, King Ryan is a young man, no more than twenty-three years of age, who is unmarried. Then, in Chapter 2 of Flight of the Nighthawks, Robert is Prince of Krondor, having ruled there for the last eight years. Any ideas on what the conDoin family tree looks like from King Borric onward?
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OK, here's the official answer. It's 50% a continuity goof and 50% me foreshadowing. Here's what you'll find out: Robert is recalled and there's no prince in Krondor at the time of Into a Dark Realm. There are a bunch of conDoin cousins who are possible heirs, and it's a balance between which prince can get through the Congress of Lords. The bit about the king being unmarried was from an earlier draft and it didn't get cut when it should of.

Hey, after 22 novels, it's easy to lose a thread here and there.

Best, R.E.F.

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« Reply #7 on: May 10, 2006, 05:59:40 PM »

From R.E.F.'s reply to my question on the mailing list, this seems to be a plausible interpretation of the circumstances:  

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In Talon, Prince Matthew lives in the palace in Krondor, but Feist doesn't refer to him as the Prince of Krondor.  If the statement about King Ryan being married should have been cut from an earlier draft, then the major remaining issue is the age of Prince Matthew (and his siblings).  I believe the reference in Talon states that Matthew is not yet fourteen years of age (at which point he would be given his office and swear the oath to protect and defend the Kingdom as a Prince of the Blood Royal, ala Nicky's statement in The King's Buccaneer), and he could therefore be any age between one and thirteen.

If Prince Matthew were a minor, it would explain why Duke James was serving as Regent of the West.  From R.E.F.'s other statements, it seems that the Prince of Krondor is being selected by the king from a pool of conDoin cousins and ratified by the Congress of Lords (skill or political clout vs. being King Ryan's direct heir).  By Flight, Prince Robert has been appointed, being one of the eligible cousins.  

The fact that Erik has been appointed Duke of Krondor doesn't necessarily mean that Duke James has died.  It's quite possible that with the appointment of Prince Robert, his presence as Duke and Regent was not necessary, and he was given another post (Duke of Rillanon, for example).  


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what statement in Flight leads you to believe that King Patrick is still alive?  Just curious.  
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« Reply #8 on: May 11, 2006, 07:42:17 PM »

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From R.E.F.'s reply to my question on the mailing list, this seems to be a plausible interpretation of the circumstances:  

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In Talon, Prince Matthew lives in the palace in Krondor, but Feist doesn't refer to him as the Prince of Krondor.  If the statement about King Ryan being married should have been cut from an earlier draft, then the major remaining issue is the age of Prince Matthew (and his siblings).  I believe the reference in Talon states that Matthew is not yet fourteen years of age (at which point he would be given his office and swear the oath to protect and defend the Kingdom as a Prince of the Blood Royal, ala Nicky's statement in The King's Buccaneer), and he could therefore be any age between one and thirteen.

If Prince Matthew were a minor, it would explain why Duke James was serving as Regent of the West.  From R.E.F.'s other statements, it seems that the Prince of Krondor is being selected by the king from a pool of conDoin cousins and ratified by the Congress of Lords (skill or political clout vs. being King Ryan's direct heir).  By Flight, Prince Robert has been appointed, being one of the eligible cousins.  

The fact that Erik has been appointed Duke of Krondor doesn't necessarily mean that Duke James has died.  It's quite possible that with the appointment of Prince Robert, his presence as Duke and Regent was not necessary, and he was given another post (Duke of Rillanon, for example).  


Serpant Slayer,
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what statement in Flight leads you to believe that King Patrick is still alive?  Just curious.  

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page 53 , patrick who was then prince of krondor and now the king of the isles - it says
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« Reply #9 on: May 11, 2006, 08:16:47 PM »

Serpant Slayer,

  Thanks.  I'll have to re-read that page.
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