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Sarig

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On Fan-fiction based on Mr. Feist's works.
« on: December 03, 2006, 02:54:41 PM »

Everyone says Feist doesn't allow for fan-fiction of his world, which is something quite a lot of authors are against. However, while I don't doubt this is so, can someone give me a direct quote? It would be nice.

And related to the above, has Feist said why? Reasons I've read from other authors range from the authors not wanting other people to play with their characters, legal reasons, having been personally offended from someone in the fandom, etc. So there's a lot of different reasons given, while there are also people who don't really care at all what people do online for non-profit (Rowling comes to mind). So does anyone know? Has he given a reason? I'm just curious.
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« Reply #1 on: December 04, 2006, 09:12:25 AM »

What does it matter, don't do it (at least don't submit it anywhere), that's all you should care about.
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« Reply #2 on: December 04, 2006, 10:29:54 AM »

email him on the feistfans-l mailing list if you want a direct reply - or try and look up the mailing list archive/FAQ. I can't remember the direct link (sorry). He stated no fan-fic due to several reasons. He writes as its his income, he doesn't write because he enjoys it (though he does enjoy it). I can understand where he is coming from.
You can write fan-fic if it remains unpublished. I believe satire is legal aswell, since it is a parody. If it is bad parody though, I am sure it will be taken down fast.

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« Reply #3 on: December 04, 2006, 01:02:54 PM »

Crydee.com has some info one one of it's links but I haven't gone through the FAQ's yet.
I get the impression he's ok with fan-art though.

It quotes...

"The reason I have to take this position is due to years of abuse by fans of
other writers/TV shows/movies. The copyright issues are complex and
often don't seem to make sense, but the financial risk to myself and my
family is real. So, be the "Raymond E. Feist" of your own universe and
have a blast. If you get good at it, you never know, someone might
someday be writing you fan mail.

Thanks for understanding.

Best, R.E.F."
« Last Edit: December 04, 2006, 01:07:11 PM by Myddrun »
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« Reply #4 on: December 04, 2006, 02:21:23 PM »

Quote from: Gorath
What does it matter, don't do it (at least don't submit it anywhere), that's all you should care about.

Wtf man, he didn't say he wrote it, he was just curious as to why it wasn't done. Don't be an a****** if you've got nothing meaningful to reply.
« Last Edit: December 04, 2006, 02:21:36 PM by zeratulcraft »
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« Reply #5 on: December 04, 2006, 07:52:51 PM »

Quote from: zeratulcraft
Wtf man, he didn't say he wrote it, he was just curious as to why it wasn't done. Don't be an a****** if you've got nothing meaningful to reply.

Didn't get enough sleep?


Anyway, it's an interesting subject. As much as I'm sad that I'll never see any good fanfics of Ray's stories, allowing us to fill in the gaps in the plot that he himself is too busy to fill in, I also shudder to think of some of the things that happen to characters in fanfics.... O_O Although, somehow, I think that Midkemia probably wouldn't fall victim to the more terrible things, just... the less terrible. ^^'

That leads me to think, however....

Does anyone really have the right to forbid fan-anything?

I know I'd be outraged if fanart was forbidden. It just seems unthinkable... I consider myself free to draw what I want, without having to think about whether someone else already drew something like that.... Or if it's a character from a book I like.
So really, how is fanfiction different?

From what Feist said, it seems as if he fears someone would base stories off his Midkemia series and then sell them off as their own. But how is forbidding fanfiction going to stop people who actually want to do something like that? I could easily write about, say, the Siege of Carse, which is not actually described in any of the books, change the names, erase all traces of the action taking place on Midkemia, and there you would have it... I could publish it as my own short story and no one would be the wiser.
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« Reply #6 on: December 04, 2006, 10:40:45 PM »

no where this makes no sense for me is mods, mods generally don't use characters from his books, the only use country names and try to create the 'feel' of midkemia, by using troop types he names, and I don't think this is going to destroy his owrk - let's face it his last few books haven't done much for his reputation ( i love them but other people who loved riftwar have felt let down) and people listen to critics more than fans, its a sad fact

Maybe a new approach is the only way for ray to get his obvious writing excellence appreciated! Cos i think its a shame that people sing Pullman's Laurels when in my opinion feist is a far better Author and his books are brilliantly written - for the masses and complex at the same time - how he does it is amazing and I think he deserves to have at least some appreciation - and lets face some mods have became by-words for class , the words Counter-Strike come to mind and so does Desert Combat, and I think if he taps the fanbase and exploits the oppurtunities hidden on the net he may rise to be seen close to a paralell with Tolkein.

Like my friend has no internet so he was posting updates about his fanfic ( which is discontinued and now he's doing a mod set in 1900 BC ) , the next day he tried to join Crydee.com and he was banned - alright Feist may feel it's his work, his masterpiece - but should his want to protect whats his hurt the fans?
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« Reply #7 on: December 04, 2006, 11:03:29 PM »

The main problem with something like writing mods is the potential overlap with future books.
There has been one case in the past where an author has allowed fan-fic. The author then wrote their next novel and published it. One of the main plot lines was very similar to one of the fanfics posted by a random fan. That fan claimed his idea was ripped off and sued the author. Since the author did not take steps to protect his copyright, and the fanfic was posted first, he won.

Ray's taken a blanket stance of no fanfic just to cover his a** in everyway.
Fanart is a grey area, most authors allow it (and in fact like it) but if yourr fanart is similar to the artists doing the cover work for books then you can be sued by that cover artist. Also if the art covers a particular item that is specific to those books (e.g. some sort of unique sword) then their may be copyright infringements if the author intends to sell merchandise etc.

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« Reply #8 on: December 04, 2006, 11:23:03 PM »

Also with Mods for Games Ray is trying to protect his future potential to make money by selling gaming rights. If he has already allowed a Mod team to create a free RTS mod of his world the incentive by a big publisher to come in a make a proper RTS game is probably less. In the odd exception this might be reversed as the Mod has generated a significant demand for a real game but this is unlikely. Ray is just covering himself and trying to protect his future rights, a sensible business decision really in this modern world of illegal downloads and copyright meaning less and less.
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« Reply #9 on: December 05, 2006, 02:37:25 AM »

another thing to mention is that he probably doesnt want cheep knock offs. he cant control the quality of writing. i mean he doesnt want to be associated with bad stories. which is probably why he doesnt care about art. he doesnt draw but he does write and he has to protect not only his wallet but his reputation.

i just hope that if he cant fill in the blanks hell get someone he trusts to. like Forgotten Realms. he gets his friend to write about the siege of carse or the battle of deep taunton and doesnt worry about anything cause he can control the quality and quantity as it were.
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