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Cronium

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« on: March 07, 2005, 10:48:14 AM »

There might be some minor spoilers in here. I really hate reading everything in spoiler so I am only going to spoiler code some parts.
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Any of you ever wonder about the power order of the multiverse that Midkemia resides in. Is a dreadlord a match for one of the Dragon host? Could the King of the Demons kick Banath's thieving ass? Discuss!

Here is a brief overview of the powers that be.

The Ultimate, The First, The One, The Primal Urge.
Nakor refers to this person a couple of times, and Macros Pug Tomas and Ryana witness its birth. It is the most powerful thing in a universe of powerful beings as it simply contains us all. It is the ultimate god, and is who overall is moving the peices. [Also known as Raymond E. Feist.]

The 7 Controller Gods.
Consisting of Abrem-Sev, Arch-Indar, Ev-Dem, Graf, Helbinor, The Balancer [no he isnt Ishap] and Nalar
These are the Controller gods, the second most powerful forces in the multiverse. They each have thier own nature, and most spend thier time spreading thier paticular cause. Nalar spends his time causing evil, Arch-Indar is sorta dead, and Helbinor spends his time abstaining from doing anything.

Lesser Gods
These are specific to each world in the multiverse. They take thier appearances from thier worshipers expectations of them. Each of the is attached fo a world and cannot leave it. [This maybe wrong, as it seems Lims-Kragma has dominion over death the universe over.]

Dominant Races
These would consist of the Dragon Lords, the Dreadlords, the Demon Kings. They are the strongest mortals upon each Plane and usually consume or control all the lesser races.

Powerful Mortals.
These would mostly consist of characters of "heroic" stature and are extremely powerful  such as Pug and Tomas. They may or may not be able to overpower individual members of the Dominant Races.

Heros
These are the characters with no paticularly special powers, such as Arutha and James. These characters are most common in the multiverse and mostly get on through force of will. [Mara of the Acoma anyone?]

Peasentry
These are the rest. The people with no special power in Midkemia whatsoever. Instead they are the filler, the ones that get slaughtered while the heroes are off doing heroic things. There are a great many of em, and more appear at Ray's call.

There are versions of these catagories in each of the planes with thier power increasing as you go deeper. So that the second plane is much harsher then the first one. Also the numbers tend to decrease the deeper you go. So the Midkemia Universe might have billions, while the Dreadlords mere thousands.

1st Plane: Midkemia
2nd Plane: Kosridi, Home of the Dasati
3rd Plane: Unknown
4th Plane: Unknown
5th Plane: Demons
6th Plane: Dread
7th Plane: Zaltis, Angel of the 7th Circle [Maybe he lied?]
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« Reply #1 on: March 07, 2005, 11:09:08 AM »

What is it exactly your looking us to discuss? You've covered most of the main stuff.

By the way, I feel there should be some sort of power definition (?) in between Heroes and Peasents perhaps. And the home of the Talnoy's is called Dassati (as far as I can mind).
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« Reply #2 on: March 07, 2005, 11:11:04 AM »

Um... so what are we actually discussing here? I mean most of the regular's in this part of the forum already know all that, just wondering what we are meant to talk about here.

Edit: I must of missed Great One's post, so yeah. Didn't mean to sound ignorant.
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« Reply #3 on: March 07, 2005, 12:01:16 PM »

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And the home of the Talnoy's is called Dassati (as far as I can mind).
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Dasati are the Race, the name of the place is called Kosridi.
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« Reply #4 on: March 07, 2005, 12:20:39 PM »

It's okay Suli. And thanks Magnus, you looked that up though...didn't you? lol Admit it :tongue:
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« Reply #5 on: March 07, 2005, 03:15:38 PM »

I thought the crazy angel was a dream so not really from any plane
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« Reply #6 on: March 07, 2005, 06:27:27 PM »

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I thought the crazy angel was a dream so not really from any plane
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Ash is kinda correct. (Dammit!)

The crazy angel
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« Reply #7 on: March 07, 2005, 06:48:02 PM »

I don't know where to start. You said you would use the spoiler code yet you didn't. I'm sorry that your post is now all enclosed in one big spoiler tag but there is no way I have time to go through it and code each and every spoiler individually. If you want to edit your post to do that, go ahead. But please, if you say you're going to use the spoiler tag, ACTUALLY USE IT  :elf_dead:

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« Reply #8 on: March 08, 2005, 12:59:11 AM »

Sorry I forgot about the spoilers and I sorta got bogged down in it. Also what I wanted to discuss was first, if you guys think my definitions are fairly accurate and secondly, how powerful exactly each differant "thing" is in the universe. So do you think a Demon King is the match of a god? Could Tomas take on a Dreadlord one on one?
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« Reply #9 on: March 08, 2005, 12:46:29 PM »

hey,

demon king vs god? odd one, depends which god, but even sarig who is a dead god had enough power to reach through the rift and stop macros's soul being taken by maarg, so i would definately say a god. thomas is stronger than a dreadlord.

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« Reply #10 on: March 08, 2005, 01:41:12 PM »

was trying to edit the previous post and accidentally posted same thing twice... sorry.
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« Reply #11 on: March 08, 2005, 09:31:51 PM »

If naturally each Circles inhabbitants are more deadlier, closer to immortality, hader to kill, etc... then the Vhaleru are only a 1st circle being and shouldnt be as awesome as they seem to be.... IE. Thomas killing dreadlords. OR Valheru rising up and challenging the gods.

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I Guess thomas did kill that dreadlord in a Darkness of sethanon... but i would say on normal day to day, he would be hard pressed vs one. And there must be higher up dreads then dread lords. If there are Demon Captain and Kings, then there have to be.
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« Reply #12 on: March 09, 2005, 01:11:44 AM »

Darkness at Sethanon spoilers.
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Dont forget that, Tomas or Ashen Shugar was the mightist of the Vallheru, as they acknowledge. So he is probably on equal footing with a Demon King. Also it goes Dread->DreadMaster->Dreadlord apparently.



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« Reply #13 on: March 09, 2005, 02:07:20 PM »

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hey,

demon king vs god? odd one, depends which god, but even sarig who is a dead god had enough power to reach through the rift and stop macros's soul being taken by maarg, so i would definately say a god. thomas is stronger than a dreadlord.

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I don't want to sound arrogant, but if you read the book right, Sarig's last gift to Macros was the power to destroy himself with the demon so his soul would not be taken by the thing behind Maarg, at that point Pug and Miranda feel the blockade in theire mind that stops them from thinking about Nalar. So Macros wouldn't be a victime to Maarg, but to Nalar. (im rereading ROADK now and just came across that part yesterday)  
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« Reply #14 on: March 09, 2005, 02:31:41 PM »

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It's okay Suli. And thanks Magnus, you looked that up though...didn't you? lol Admit it :tongue:
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lol, No honestely i didnt look that up, i just know cause it wasnt so long ago that i read Exiles Return. =P

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I thought the crazy angel was a dream so not really from any plane
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It was, but i still think it was from another realm. Just like having a dream of a Medkimia person. Might be a fake, but it is from a real realm, if ppl get me.

Spoiler for Tomas and Ashen Shugar...........
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maybe back in Magician and Silverthorn Tomas might be able to beat a Dread, but remember, now the Lifestone is destroyed pretty much most of Tomas` power is gone, so i dont really think he could now.
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