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Amos Trask

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« on: May 27, 2006, 01:57:37 PM »

Lets say all of Kesh untied properly under one banner, i mean Great Kesh, the Confederacy, the Desertmen, the Pirates and everyone else under the rule of Kesh. The banner they untied under was yours and you could do anything with them what would it be. None of Kesh will rebel at any time they all follow loyaly

i had a rethink about this last night so i'm changing my post.

I would still increasing raiding on the Quegan vessels/navy while massing a portion of my troops in the Peaks the of Quor to attack Roldem. While some of the pirate of Durbin will be attacking the Quegan vessels/navy I would send the rest to destroy what navy the Kingdom had in the Sunset Isles, my legions in the Peaks of Quor would then attack Roldem and I'd bring my navy in the west down to crush Queg. I would wait for a few years maybe 2 or 3 until thing calmed down a bit then bring around 3/4 of my legions to the Vale of Dreams to lure the Kingdom army there, while the other 1/4 would destroy the Kingdoms of the East. I'd then hold peace meeting with the Isles while sending diplomats to the Mordhel in the north. Then with the aid of the Mordhel I'd crush what resistance was left in the Eastern Realm and send what was left of the 1/4 of my army and the mordhel to attack the Kingdom from behind trapping them between my two armies. Then I would move to crush what was left of the Kingdom army in the Western Realm and double cross the Mordhel so they followed me/be destroyed. I'd then send peace treaties to the Elves and Dwarves and consolidate what I had. I would also send peace treaties to the Tsurani
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« Reply #1 on: May 27, 2006, 04:05:31 PM »

I like this post.

I would invade Queg first, then control the Bitter Sea. I would increase armies in the Vale of Dreams, but not all, they would just create a diversion for the invasion of what was Bosnia.
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« Reply #2 on: May 27, 2006, 05:27:07 PM »

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I like this post.

I would invade Queg first, then control the Bitter Sea. I would increase armies in the Vale of Dreams, but not all, they would just create a diversion for the invasion of what was Bosnia.

Its Bosania not Bosnia, you could try and invade Bosnia but I think Serbia would have something to say about that  
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« Reply #3 on: May 28, 2006, 07:37:50 AM »

Haha! My bad, i thought it was strange REF should name it Bosnia!
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« Reply #4 on: May 28, 2006, 01:12:13 PM »

A great question.

I'd personally attack Queg first. Unlike the eastern kingdoms, Queg lacks a strong tie to the Isles and thus are less likely to recieve aid from the Kingdom. After the successful conquest of Queg I'd sit tight. Probably for at least 18-24 months. Make no threatening moves against any neighbouring nations. Then I'd send raiders from Durbin on a copycat sacking of the Far Coast while simultaneously sending brijaners and a few legions against Roldem. I'd force the Kingdom to divide it's forces without hope of reinforcement from either realm. Then I'd send a force of Dog Soldiers in to occupy Krondor. Using the Prince of Krondor and any ranking nobles as hostages I'd then demand the Kingdom pull back to Darkmoor and cede the western realm to Kesh. Then I'd bide my time for a further 5 years or so. Give the pretense of peace. And then I'd systematically take out each of the eastern kingdoms until all nations except the eastern realms of the Kingdom were under Keshian rule. And it would be but a small step to then wipe out the Kingdom and control the entire nation of Triagia. The real trick would be holding on to what you'd taken.
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« Reply #5 on: May 28, 2006, 02:01:00 PM »

I think I'd do the same as Alrin, although I'd rebuild Krondor after taking it and turning it into a fortress built to withstand attacks out of Kingdom lands.
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« Reply #6 on: May 28, 2006, 02:06:23 PM »

Hmm...what would you do should the Tsurani, Dwarves and Elves ally themselves with the Kingdom?
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« Reply #7 on: May 28, 2006, 02:13:32 PM »

Should that happen I would then crush then Dwarves along with the Kingdom or after, be really nice to the Elves by send them gifts and tributes cause they have Tomas. I would wait for a few years and build up my forces again, with the aid forces of the Quegans, Roldem, Kingdom and the Eastern Kingdoms that surrendred to me. Then I would go throught the rift with my forces and attack the Tsurani, while trying to make peace and allies with the Cho-ja. Should we beat  the Tsurani i would then hand Kelewan over to the Cho-ja
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« Reply #8 on: May 28, 2006, 02:24:59 PM »

Bold Plan, my man. Defeating the Dwarves? without invoking Tomas' wrath? Defeating the Tsurani would also be no mean feat, but possible, only you would need to recuit magicians from Stardock that would serve Kesh and so to counter the Great Ones. But still would be a good battle between the Tsurani and Kesh Dog soldiers. How many troops do we have at our disposal?
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« Reply #9 on: May 28, 2006, 02:30:16 PM »

Well I would not kill every troop on the field i would give them a chance to surrender. If they did then they could join Great Kesh. Great Kesh must have a few hundred thousand on it's own so with the added numbers of Queg, Roldem, the Eastern Kingdoms and the Kingdom of the Isles, not to mention the Dwarves that might defect to my side several hundered thousand. I would then recurit conscripts from the population. So I think we are talking about serveal hundred thousand, maybe bordering on a million. Also the Tsurani grey warriors that I would recurit to my side and the Cho-ja should they join so we are talking about a formidable force, and as you said recuriting the magicians from Stardock and every magician on Midkemia to aid my cause.
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« Reply #10 on: May 28, 2006, 02:33:55 PM »

The elves have been around a long time and have seen both Keshain and Kingdom rulers occupying the lands outside Elvandar. Likewise the dwarves. So long as no threat was made against them I doubt they'd intervene in a human war. And so long as Stardock remained autonomous and the rift stayed open I really don't think the Tsurani would care if Kesh conquered the Kingdom. They care about access to Midkemia, not just one nation.
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« Reply #11 on: May 28, 2006, 02:36:29 PM »

Still the Great Ones would pose a threat...and perhaps recruit the Suaar riders from Winet?
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« Reply #12 on: May 28, 2006, 02:42:18 PM »

AH that is a great idea. So the force against the Tsurani would consist of Keshian soldiers ( Great Kesh, the Confederacy, the Desertmen, the Pirates), the Eastern Kingdoms, The Kingdom of the Isles, Roldem, Queg, Suaar riders, Magicians from Startdock and all over Midkemia, Conscripts, Dwarves, Mordhel, Tsurani grey warriors and possibly Cho-ja. What an Army to see on the battle field. I wouldn't want to be fighting against that. Several hundred thousand maybe a million  Midkemians/Suaar/Mordhel/Dwarves/Cho-ja/Magicians/Tsurani grey warriors. Maybe try and recurit Tomas to the fight to help deal with the Great ones. I would try and get a combinded navy of the Kingdoms/Empire above into the Sea of Blood as fast as I could.

I think if the Great Ones could be destroyed fast then the fight would be Much easier.
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« Reply #13 on: May 28, 2006, 05:05:22 PM »

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I'd personally attack Queg first. Unlike the eastern kingdoms, Queg lacks a strong tie to the Isles and thus are less likely to recieve aid from the Kingdom. After the successful conquest of Queg I'd sit tight. Probably for at least 18-24 months. Make no threatening moves against any neighbouring nations. Then I'd send raiders from Durbin on a copycat sacking of the Far Coast while simultaneously sending brijaners and a few legions against Roldem. I'd force the Kingdom to divide it's forces without hope of reinforcement from either realm. Then I'd send a force of Dog Soldiers in to occupy Krondor. Using the Prince of Krondor and any ranking nobles as hostages I'd then demand the Kingdom pull back to Darkmoor and cede the western realm to Kesh. Then I'd bide my time for a further 5 years or so. Give the pretense of peace. And then I'd systematically take out each of the eastern kingdoms until all nations except the eastern realms of the Kingdom were under Keshian rule. And it would be but a small step to then wipe out the Kingdom and control the entire nation of Triagia. The real trick would be holding on to what you'd taken.

geez

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« Reply #14 on: May 28, 2006, 05:13:22 PM »

You have to ask why would the Suaar fight with Kesh / Kingdom?

Also Kelewan, it has been said could easily put a Million + men into the field. Imagine if they started conscription this would probably double their army. Plus their are a whole lot more Great Ones and they are a lot better trained than the Magicians at Stardock. I do not think Midkemia would stand any chance in a war against Kelewan without the intervention of Midkemias Dragons, Tomas, Pug and his Conclave etc.
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« Reply #15 on: May 28, 2006, 05:57:32 PM »

I'm not so sure with the combined might of Kesh and the remaining armies of Midkemia along with maybe Moredhel and Sauur assistance it could be possible. It never says anywhere in the books about a Tsurani navy. the only time you hear about one on that planet is in the time of the golden bridge so the first thing would be to get a navy there the second to talk to the Cho ja and Thuril with those two allies it might be possible. if somehow you could get Thomas to help and dragons well then theres no stopping you especially since Thomas could probably convince Pug to help. The whole thing hinges on getting every single warrior on Midkemia to fight for you. It would be very difficult but doable.
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« Reply #16 on: May 28, 2006, 06:54:54 PM »

Well I would conscprit every able body on Midkemia. Also i would have recurited every Grey warrior in the Empire to fight for me. As you said you would talk to the Cho ja and Thuril, also i would talk to the Thun in the north hate the Tsurani. I would send a few of the more powerful magicians in to the hall of worlds to recurit so warriors to my side
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« Reply #17 on: May 28, 2006, 10:18:35 PM »

I see a lot of plans starting with conquering Queg. I wonder though, why hassnt it be done before?

Because Queg has the biggest navy in the area. Even with all Kesh's forches united, I would not want to fight Queg. And if I was the Kingdom, and I would see a massive attack on Queg, I would imidiatly send out my fleet tp destroy whichever enemy fleet would with the naval battles. Either queg of Kesh would win, but neither would be at full strenght. The ideal time for the kingdom to gain control over the sea.

Now, if I had the whole of Kesh under control, and I could savely asume that non of the forces under my control would rebel as soon as I attacked another nation, so the southern nations will not attack me from behind, then what would I do?

I would leave Queg alone. I would rather bride them to leave me alone too, and raid the far coast. Then I would indeed split my forces, landing part on the far coast, luring away the kingdoms armies, and then attacking trough the vale of dreams. Aim for Krondor, and taking away the harbours of the kingdoms fleets. Now, if the kingdom fleets have no harbours, they will have to withdraw to the sunset isles, or be under constant treath of the Kesh fleet and the Queg fleet. In principle, this would clear the way for my fleet to focus on my single remaining enemies fleet, queg. I think Queg is most easily dealed with my bribing some of the nobles, and setting of civil war. Then sink the fleet, and force them to surrender. Using the loot of Queg, The land armies could be reinfoced to attack the eastern kingdom. With a bit luck, the eastern kingdom will only come to the aid of the western kingdom once its to late.


What is the mayor flaw in my plan? The same one I pointed out at the others, Queg. Why would Queg allow an Keshian fleet to pass loaded with soldiers? Why not sink it? I think Queg needs to be dealt with earlier perhaps, by bribing them, and causing trouble upon the island. Keep them busy withselves. And then, the kingdom is fresh meat.

Ofcourse, all these plans stand all fall by keeping all of kesh under control. If any part of the empire would rebel, all would be lost. So, in the end, the best plan is to do nothing.

 
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« Reply #18 on: May 29, 2006, 06:10:58 AM »

Your more than likely right the sheer strain of keeping the nations together would cripple the plan before the first battle. politics would stand in the way as it always does in these cases.
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« Reply #19 on: May 29, 2006, 11:17:47 AM »

[!--quoteo--][div class=\'quotetop\']QUOTE[/div][div class=\'quotemain\'][!--quotec--]I see a lot of plans starting with conquering Queg. I wonder though, why hassnt it be done before?

Because Queg has the biggest navy in the area. Even with all Kesh's forches united, I would not want to fight Queg. And if I was the Kingdom, and I would see a massive attack on Queg, I would imidiatly send out my fleet tp destroy whichever enemy fleet would with the naval battles. Either queg of Kesh would win, but neither would be at full strenght. The ideal time for the kingdom to gain control over the sea.

Now, if I had the whole of Kesh under control, and I could savely asume that non of the forces under my control would rebel as soon as I attacked another nation, so the southern nations will not attack me from behind, then what would I do?

I would leave Queg alone. I would rather bride them to leave me alone too, and raid the far coast. Then I would indeed split my forces, landing part on the far coast, luring away the kingdoms armies, and then attacking trough the vale of dreams. Aim for Krondor, and taking away the harbours of the kingdoms fleets. Now, if the kingdom fleets have no harbours, they will have to withdraw to the sunset isles, or be under constant treath of the Kesh fleet and the Queg fleet. In principle, this would clear the way for my fleet to focus on my single remaining enemies fleet, queg. I think Queg is most easily dealed with my bribing some of the nobles, and setting of civil war. Then sink the fleet, and force them to surrender. Using the loot of Queg, The land armies could be reinfoced to attack the eastern kingdom. With a bit luck, the eastern kingdom will only come to the aid of the western kingdom once its to late.


What is the mayor flaw in my plan? The same one I pointed out at the others, Queg. Why would Queg allow an Keshian fleet to pass loaded with soldiers? Why not sink it? I think Queg needs to be dealt with earlier perhaps, by bribing them, and causing trouble upon the island. Keep them busy withselves. And then, the kingdom is fresh meat.

Ofcourse, all these plans stand all fall by keeping all of kesh under control. If any part of the empire would rebel, all would be lost. So, in the end, the best plan is to do nothing.[/quote]

Thats why you have a battle against Queg from the start, getting the Kingdom to ally with you, it seems everybody would happily see Queg burn.
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