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Stop reading if you haven't read this series, I am attempting to not have any spoilers but general thoughts about the plot lines follow....

I looked through the FAQ for a topic on the Serpentwar and didn't see one (?)

So far I have read the Riftwar Saga, Prince of the Blood, The King's Buccaneer, and the first 3 books of the Serpentwar Saga. I am very happy to have discovered Feist (and this forum although you people don't post much  ;) ) I am about 1/2 way through Shards of a Broken Crown, and I have to tell you, I'm finding it kind of tough to get through it. Its OK, but he kind of wrapped up the major plot lines of the Serpentwar in book 3, which is great. And now he appears to be dealing with the aftermath and how it affects the Kingdom as the war necessitated that new rulers come into power.

I'm starting to think this is a book that didn't need to be written. I'm having a hard time caring about some of the plot lines and characters (although I'm starting to seriously dislike Patrick).

Is it just me? Does the end make it all worth it?

I'm still going to force my way through it so I can get to the other series, but its a chore right now.
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In my view Shards is the weakest book in the Serpant War series, it is good to see the aftermaths of all the wars but it was probably not deserving of its own book.
Even though I said its the worst book in that series it is still a good deal better than a number of Rays later efforts (JtH, MiLM, ToG).
You defiently should finish it though  :elf_smile:
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I actually really enjoyed it, particularly as I like the characters of Jimmy and Dash, but that being said, it may help to view it as an independent book, not necessarily part of the overall series.
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SoaBC is a bit borring, there isn't really a goal in it. I also had trouble getting through it
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Well, I finally finished it. I have to say it did get somewhat better by the end, and it was clearly setting up later books. On the whole though I think that was my least favorite Feist book so far.

Now on to Conclave of Shadows! :soldier:
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Re: Trouble getting through Shards of a Broken Crown - Possible Spoilers
« Reply #5 on: June 01, 2008, 09:22:30 AM »

on the bright side it probably wont be your least favourite for long
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Re: Trouble getting through Shards of a Broken Crown - Possible Spoilers
« Reply #6 on: June 03, 2008, 04:09:32 PM »

Now on to Conclave of Shadows! :soldier:

have fun, they are really fabulous!! (in stead of SoaBC)
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Re: Trouble getting through Shards of a Broken Crown - Possible Spoilers
« Reply #7 on: July 04, 2008, 11:51:35 AM »

Personally I think that SoaBC is a fantastic book. Yes it does seem a little 'after the fact', but that is one of the reasons I loved it so much. It meant the story wasn't completed by an enormous battle but just that the battle was an integral part of the story. I think it made the Serpentwar saga a little bit more human. Not only that but it was an outstanding read.

Maybe I get a little too lost in the story when reading REF's books but I can't get enough of the worlds he is creating. So almost anyting based in those worlds is worth at least one read.

I do have to admit though, that MiLM and HE were quite hard going and didn't really do anything to expand Midkemia or any of the storylines.

Obvoiusly the Krondor books are essential reading, especially when you come to the Conclave and Darkwar books. Again though they are freat books in their own right and more than worty of your time and money.

I try to treat each book as part of a large puzzle, and if you have too many missing pieces the puzzle makes no real sense.
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Re: Trouble getting through Shards of a Broken Crown - Possible Spoilers
« Reply #8 on: July 04, 2008, 09:45:05 PM »

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Obvoiusly the Krondor books are essential reading, especially when you come to the Conclave and Darkwar books.

yeah, I've discovered that as I've gone through Conclave and half of Darkwar.  :depressed:

Too bad I haven't read them yet. The further I go and the more they are referenced the more I wish I had read those before Conclave. :irritated:

(edited to add: I assume your talking about Riftwar Legacy, thats what I meant)
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Re: Trouble getting through Shards of a Broken Crown - Possible Spoilers
« Reply #9 on: July 06, 2008, 03:04:23 PM »

Vega,

The references to the Krondor books in Conclave and Darkwar really explain everything that you need to know. While I wasn't particularly awed by the Krondor books, especially Tear of the Gods, which is actually the only one that really has much of anything to do with the Conclave and Darkwar books, with the minor exception that the Nighthawks are prominent in Krondor: The Assassins. In fact, of the three, Krondor: The Betrayal was my favorite. TotG was ok, but just killed me with the alternately pathetically abrupt and contrived ending. It left a bad taste in my mouth for the whole book.

The one good thing that I can say for the Krondor books is that they do allow you to become closer to Locklear, Jimmy and Gamina, and especially William, which in turn, makes it all the more frustrating when a major event concerning Jimmy and Gamina and another concerning William
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I'm referring to their minimally described death. We go through all this with William in the Krondor books and then get 2 pages of an offhand description of his death in Rage of a Demon King
is pretty much glossed over toward the end of the Serpentwar. Then, in later novels, Pug talks about it constantly. I definitely would have thought that William could have had a much bigger part to play in the Serpentwar books.


Oh, and BenGecko, did you really think that Honoured Enemy was "hard going"? I don't see how, as myself and everyone that I know feel like it was Feists best book besides Magician, PotB, and TKB.......and it could even stand up with those. I admit, I had to force myself to finish Murder in Lamut and Jimmy the Hand ( In fact, I just tried to forget JtH, lest it tarnish my feelings toward Jimmy in the other books ), but Honoured Enemy was a jewel of a book, which, in a way, was one of my favorite Midkemia books. Why didn't you like it? The story was exciting, emotional, had great characters with depth and feeling, the battles were good, and the ending was probably the best ending in a Feist book ( although Forstchen probably wrote most of it. Didn't Ray say that they wrote the books, just in his world with slight editing by him? ) Anyway, I loved it.

Back to the topic of this post. I had a VERY hard time with SoaBC, as well. In fact, I would probably say it was my LEAST favorite Midkemia book. The pacing was terrible and dragged on unmercilessly. I really added nothing to the characters, leaving a dry sense of blah regarding Erik and just glossing over Roo with a mundane apathy that I thought was sad considering how much he was focused on only two books prior in Rise of a Merchant Prince. If I hadn't bee worried that I would have missed something important, I would have just put the book down. The only other Feist book that I have felt like that with was Murder In Lamut.........and more recently King of Foxes. Even after reading this post and trying to think of the book as a stand alone, it still didn't work for me. I think that Ray should have made the Serpentwar a trilogy.

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Re: Trouble getting through Shards of a Broken Crown - Possible Spoilers
« Reply #10 on: July 06, 2008, 08:08:04 PM »

hmm.... *thinking* ..... who is Locklear??
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Re: Trouble getting through Shards of a Broken Crown - Possible Spoilers
« Reply #11 on: July 07, 2008, 02:56:59 AM »

Locklear is noble-man's son that James/Jimmy befriends after he becomes a Squire for Arutha.

Maybe I get a little too lost in the story when reading REF's books but I can't get enough of the worlds he is creating. So almost anyting based in those worlds is worth at least one read.

I feel exactly the same. Every REF book holds some worth in my view. SoaBC wasn't great, but I made my way through it with no difficulty whatsoever. Sure, it had a different pace than Rage, but I felt it was needed.
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« Reply #12 on: July 07, 2008, 09:22:06 AM »

ow yeah, I didn't know his english name, only his dutch, thx

SoaBC is, in my opinion, one that really doesn't belong in the top 10. in fact, it's a bit at the level of Murder in LaMut. But the great thing about REF is, is that even that books are still great  :lol: Yes, ok, there are other, much better books in this series, but still, SoaBC is worth reading!
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« Reply #13 on: July 07, 2008, 07:31:28 PM »

Oh, I hope I didn't imply that it wasn't worth reading. I have yet to find a single REF book that I thought was not worth at least one or two reads. Of course I tend to hold him to a higher standard since I've read Magician, Silverthorn, ADaS, PoTB, and TKB probably 15 times each, with little or no diminishing of enjoyment.

Everyone bashes the Krondor books.....myself included to a degree, but I actually enjoyed Krondor:The Betrayal and Krondor: The Assassins......Krondor:Tear of the Gods was the only one that was below average in my opinion. Same thing with Murder in Lamut. The book was easily readable, but after just finishing Honoured Enemy, which just blew me away......it came off as somewhat lackluster.

Other book reviewers on the internet have bashed Talon of the Silverhawk which I thoroughly enjoyed. I felt like King of Foxes and Exile's Return suffered a bit from following it and their pacing was a bit slow. I can also see why people are saying that REF seems to be losing a bit of his touch as the books continue. Flight of the Nighthawks was just ok and if Into a Dark Realm doesn't improve significantly, it will be relegated to the same apathetic description. I'm going to buy Wrath of a Mad God today.........that, in and of itself should show that even though I consider these books just ok on that higher standard which I hold them up to, I still am eager to continue to find out what happens to the characters and the land of Midkemia/Kelewan
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Re: Trouble getting through Shards of a Broken Crown - Possible Spoilers
« Reply #14 on: July 09, 2008, 01:40:12 PM »

WoaMG is SO good!! it's really a fantastic ending of this trilogie
but that's not the subject here  :o  :ashamed:
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Re: Trouble getting through Shards of a Broken Crown - Possible Spoilers
« Reply #15 on: July 14, 2008, 05:07:14 PM »

I agree with what Coe said for the most part.
The Serpant War Saga is my favorite.... do in large part to that fact that is mainly(IMO) a military work. Having been in the Army(US) for a long period of time, I like the in's and out's of military life. I actually think RoaMP is the (worst is the wrong word)book I liked the least. SoaBC was great for I liked all the after action stuff, I also liked how it was a whole book, more often than not it either in a pro or epilogue.
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Re: Trouble getting through Shards of a Broken Crown - Possible Spoilers
« Reply #16 on: July 31, 2008, 02:24:54 AM »

I think another eason I enjoyed SoaBC (ok, certainly not as much as some of the other titles mentioned) is that I enjoy James and Dash. Although it appears we wont learn more about
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thier future rift hinted in future books
I am hoping some of the history will be hinted/mentioned at some stage. I would love to learn more about the brothers (even it is in past-tense).
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« Reply #17 on: August 25, 2008, 01:15:30 PM »

I've read SoaBC again this holiday, and I have a question about it (spoilerr)
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at the end of the book, both Pug and Nakor mention Nalar's name, without a protective shield around them
little mistake of REF???
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Re: Trouble getting through Shards of a Broken Crown - Possible Spoilers
« Reply #18 on: August 25, 2008, 01:22:51 PM »

No mistake.
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They discuss the future in Pug's study, and it's there that both mention Nalar by name. Earlier in the book Nakor raised a barrier around Pug's study permanently.
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« Reply #19 on: August 26, 2008, 02:40:20 PM »

ah, missed that i think :ashamed:
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