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« on: April 24, 2006, 07:21:45 AM »

Of the books Feist wrote (or participated in writing), which do you think came out the worst and/or which is your least favourite? And give some clear reasons why, such as if you say the storyline doesn't make sense, you'd say exactly what about it doesn't (with spoiler tags if neccessary). AND I'm hoping people will comment on what others have to say... So start by harrassing my view of the least faved book! XDDD


I can't judge which of Feist's books is the worst, since I'm not such a sucker for quality anyway, so I'll say which is my least favourite...
Mine would have to be Talon of the Silver Hawk and King of Foxes....
I never warmed up to the main character and never got any sleepless nights due to what was going to happen to him.... Tal is, IMHO, the least likeable main character encountered in the books. Partially it's because you never really get to find out his true personality, since he's always manipulated/directed by someone and makes few personal choices. Thus, you never really get to know him...
Besides, he's too flawless...Think of a male Mary-Sue! He's basically a genius of some sort (AND supposedly really handsome), able to think with logic and master skills unlike any that he even knew about, which, considering his heritage, doesn't seem likely. (Many generations of his ancestors spent all their lives living in villages, doing few if any logic exercises and training, and little to do with fine arts... You can't really expect someone born of a family of commoners to have a fine taste in wine and all that. There are some physical predispositions granted by a person's heritage...)
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« Reply #1 on: April 24, 2006, 07:39:47 AM »

Hmm.

Krondor: Tear of the Gods

and/or

King of Foxes

Why? Tear of the Gods simply felt like it was set in an alternate reality. It seemed that all the mythology and theology built up in previous works was simply discarded in this book.
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What the hell was with William being an avatar (however briefly - and for lack of a better term) of Kahooli? And what the hell was with the Vampires?
- K:TotG spoiler

As for King of Foxes, well.. I've said on many occassions that it had the potential to be a great book.
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Ray having Tal lose his hand was a masterstroke of writing, something I never saw coming and something that  could've been a great plot device to expand upon. Instead, a few chapters later Nakor takes him to some weird shaman dude who grows his hand back. RETARDED!!
- KoF spoiler

So that's my two picks. I'd probably say that KoF is my least favourite, because it COULD have been great. Instead it was pathetically dismal (and I didn't even touch on my disgust at the glaring continuity errors concerning the conDoins).
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« Reply #2 on: April 24, 2006, 08:24:45 AM »

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Besides, he's too flawless...Think of a male Mary-Sue! He's basically a genius of some sort (AND supposedly really handsome), able to think with logic and master skills unlike any that he even knew about, which, considering his heritage, doesn't seem likely. (Many generations of his ancestors spent all their lives living in villages, doing few if any logic exercises and training, and little to do with fine arts... You can't really expect someone born of a family of commoners to have a fine taste in wine and all that. There are some physical predispositions granted by a person's heritage...)

That is completely wrong, look at Jimmy the Hand, look at Pug, look at Nakor. They all came fromsuch poor heritage and were raised and manipulated to become what we know them as today and no one went through and bagged them out. The list goes on, Robert de Loungeville, Erik, Roo. Tal become so good with it all because he was obviously a sharp kid and it was all he had going for him in his life, nothing else to work towards. Also with heritage, look at Erik's parents... or Roo's. Roo's is probably the worst and look what he did for himself.

It annoys me to think about all this Tal bagging,
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he is what he is because of what the Conclave did to him. That's his character, to be the mysterious espionage man. That's what the Conclave created him for.

-minor Conclave series Spoilers

I'd probably have to agree with Alrin on Tear of the Gods, crappest crap that ever crapped. Everything that Al pointed out is exactly how I feel.

Only thing that saved King of Foxes is the appearance of John Creed
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« Reply #3 on: April 24, 2006, 09:03:08 AM »

Oh. I'm going to add Jimmy the Hand to my list too. The inclusion of Jarvis Coe and the later re-writing of PotB to incorporate some of the story covered in JtH are the only reasons it wasn't in my original post. But the story itself... oh my was it boring as hell.
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« Reply #4 on: April 24, 2006, 11:10:06 AM »

MUrder in LaMut. - I never actually got far in this book, the characters are annoying and the few chapters that I'd read were badly written and cliched. For the most part I really hated it.

Apart from that, I'd also say Prince of the Blood (non-APE). It was hard to like the characters, and a lot of the scenes seem to have been cut, it was as if reading the highlights and completely missing out the rest. I'll admit that the APE was much better though, and I was actually able to relate to Borric.

I can barely remember Assassins, but I can remember not liking it, along with Tear of the Gods. I'm sure Assassin was for similar reasons to PotB, i.e. it didn't seem to be the whole book, only selected highlights. TotG for all the same reasons as Al: It doesn't really seem like a Feist book.

And finally, King of Foxes for the exact same reason as Al. I hated Tal with a passion by the end of reading that book and still regret that he got his f****** arm back.
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« Reply #5 on: April 24, 2006, 12:26:01 PM »

You didn't like Prince of the Blood? I thought it was a fantastic book, entering the world of Kesh and all its comings and goings and of course mr Abul

I haven't read the APE yet though, should get round to that someday.
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« Reply #6 on: April 24, 2006, 03:29:25 PM »

I have to agree with everyone pretty much.. the krondor series was the worst, because it makes very little sence and doesn't fit into the rest of the series, its badly written and is inconsistent. Jimmy the hand was pretty bad too for pretty much the same reasons, but at least that can be blamed on the other author wanting to write about jimmy and there being nothing to write about... I quite liked TotSH and KoF up until the part where they all live happily ever after...

I quite like Prince of the Blood (altough I didn't first time round) I'm not sure if I have APE or non-APE.. hell I'm not even sure what that is.. (I assume appended or whatnot.. in which case I probably don't)
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« Reply #7 on: April 24, 2006, 05:36:11 PM »

What does APE stand for?

 
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« Reply #8 on: April 24, 2006, 05:40:50 PM »

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« Reply #9 on: April 24, 2006, 05:43:14 PM »

:o I didnt like tear of gods
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« Reply #10 on: April 25, 2006, 04:48:04 AM »

Suli, you should get round to BotB APE. I was very dissapointed with it, especially about my namesake, but the Boss fixes it all pretty well.Definitely worth the read, it made me feal a bit better about the whole ordeal!

Saying that, PotB is one of my least favourite books because it depresses me too much. But if you're gonna read the Serpentwar saga again, you've may have to start there cos of Nakor!

I'm discounting murder in lamut cos REF was just messing around with that.

I liked the Krondor Series, it was no Riftware Saga but you have to remember that it sets the scene for Darkwar.
I like the main group of characters. but swap owen for Thomas and it would have been perfect.
I'd like to see more of the Jimmy and Locky partner ship, the camaradery draws me in and makes me laugh.
Like Arutha's sons in PotB and Jimmys grandsons all those years later.

There may not be as many Epic events but there are not as many sad moments in them either.
I find them quite a safe read, they are not quite as Epic as the Riftwar and Serpent war but they still a good adventure.
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« Reply #11 on: April 25, 2006, 05:14:41 AM »

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I liked the Krondor Series, it was no Riftware Saga but you have to remember that it sets the scene for Darkwar.
I totally disagree. The Legacy series didn't "set the scene" for anything. Ray simply decided to fall back on a familiar bad guy (in Conclave/Darkwar) because he was too unimaginative to create somebody new. There's almost nothing (apart from Sidi/Varen) that took place in the Legacy series that ties in with later books. In fact, the series goes a long way towards invalidating his other works. Take the Tear of the Gods for example:
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When Ray first wrote about it (Rage of a Demon King) it was an artifact that came to the temples every 100 years. In K:TotG it becomes every ten years. Then of course, there were the vampires...(?!)
- K:TotG/RoaDK spoilers
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« Reply #12 on: April 25, 2006, 08:00:32 AM »

Fair point boss,
I will concede the point, maybe setting the scene was a bit of a reach but I find it hard to believe, without seeing any evidence yet, that the Sidi connection was down to laziness. It may be blind faith causing me to look for the best mind you

I don't know what was Ray's ideas from Krondor and what wasn't so I can't agree or dissagree on the Sidi unimaginative thing.
I'm also not clued up on how Ray laid the whole story. He may have planned out the rest of Krondor before Conclave and therefor it was all planned. On the other hand it may be nothing of the sort.

I too got a bit dissillusioned at the Tear of The Gods quandry. That kind of thing seemed a bit too stupid really. I can't see any reason why the numbers had to be different. I'd like to know why too.

I suppose a lot is down to prespective and what I or we want to believe. The only person i who expect could put it striaght is the man himself but that's not his way!
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« Reply #13 on: April 25, 2006, 08:11:39 AM »

The plots for K:tB and K:TotG were penned by Neal Halford (and, I think, John Cutter) so not all the blame can be laid at Ray's feet. For instance, the vampires were obviously written into the game without consideration for the established mythos of Ray's books. Having said that, surely Ray could've chosen to either disregard mention of vampires or alternatively not written the books.

As for the Sidi thing... well, I honestly see no reason in having Sidi and Varen being one and the same. It serves no purpose (or atleast it won't unless we get a concliusion to the Legacy books).

My major gripe with the Krondor books however, stems not from the inconsistencies, but with the terrible writing. And unfortunately, it seems that that's simply the best Ray can do these days. I expected (or at least hoped for) a massive leap in quality after the horrendous Legacy books, but so far we just haven't seen it.

As much as it pains me to say it (and we had this discussion in chat last night), I think Ray should simply call it quits. It's becoming blatantly obvious that his heart is no longer set in Midkemia. It seens to me he's only pushing on for the fans, but if all we're going to see in the future are more mediocre efforts I'd prefer he move onto a different setting and leave Midkemia alone before he undoes all the great work he'd done in earlier books.

And once again.. just my opinion.
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« Reply #14 on: April 25, 2006, 08:19:52 AM »

I'm about to read first book of Krondor. I read perhaps the first three pages so far and it's been lying there next to my bed for the past few months.

So atm I will say Krondor's first book. Although I'm guessing I'm not going to like Talon in the future but that's future talk.

As for PotB. I liked that book. It was nice enough. Could have been a bit better but it wasn't that bad. Suli Abul was a shitty character.  Ghuda totally fixed that though.  Although I think that's something for a different discussion.
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« Reply #15 on: April 25, 2006, 08:58:48 AM »

I'd have to say Jimmy the Hand. It was rather pointless and the whole story of his childhood went over my head.
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« Reply #16 on: April 25, 2006, 08:59:53 AM »

did you prefer Murder in Lamut over Jimmy the Hand?

or does that not count?
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« Reply #17 on: April 25, 2006, 09:17:31 AM »

I can't speak for Et, but I most certainly enjoyed MiLM over JtH. The only saving grace (for me) in JtH was Jarvis Coe. Everything else just bored me. Jimmy really didn't "feel" like Jimmy, and the plot itself was just ridiculous (IMO).
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« Reply #18 on: April 25, 2006, 09:24:20 AM »

I couldn't get into MiLM at all. for ages I was just reaing the words, it didn't connect to my imagination at all. I didn't hate the book I just didn't connect to it the way I normally do!

I did mange to get into Jimmy the Hand. It's not a book I'm going to read often but the story held me and my imagination kicked in more often than not!
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« Reply #19 on: April 25, 2006, 09:34:10 AM »

I personally found that MiLM was a book that I never really came to appreciate until I'd read it 2 or 3 times. With each successive re-read I came to like the characters more and more. Enough so that I went and got some of Rosenberg's books to continue reading of Kethol, Pirojil and Durine.
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