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At the Gates of Darkness Thread
« on: May 06, 2009, 11:49:55 PM »

As previously posted in this thread, Ray's next book is due for release next year.

I'm concerned over Ray having completed the book so quickly. It's a positive that the book has actually been written and handed in, but was it rushed? I guess we'll not find out until we see the final material in front of us. Whatever the results, we're now facing the end of the Midkemia Cycle in the face. After this novel, there'll only be 3 books remaining:

* A Kingdom Besieged (2011)
    * A Crown Imperilled (2012)
    * Magician's End (2013)

So, whatever Ray had planned years ago (or has made up while writing the stories), will soon be revealed. Anyone have any guesses on how the final Demonwar book will go, and how this will affect the events of the Chaoswar after? Although, every event (from Magician onwards) has been small battles involving the Chaoswar, so perhaps this book has little point. Indeed, I think one of the downfalls, when reflecting back on the entire cycle, will be the fact that it's taken Ray so many years and books to get to this point. We'll soon find out, for sure.

I think anyone who's been a long time reader of REF's work may be able to make some pretty sound guesses, as he's let the details of the end slip, as he's wrote up to this point. Let's hear 'em.


(Direct all book discussion here. :) )
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Re: At the Gates of Darkness Thread
« Reply #1 on: May 12, 2009, 10:25:07 AM »

Well,

  I haven't read "Rides a Dread Legion" yet ... but as I've said elsewhere, I don't think the ending can possibly satisfy. Let me draw a parallel to another author who is much more famous than REF. I'm talking about JK Rowling, and the Harry Potter series. With the rabid following she had, there was no way her series could possibly have had a satisfying end. She had several routes available to her, but none could possibly have been good enough.

  I think the same goes for Ray. Unless Pug's visit with "Lims Kragma" all those books ago, where he was told the consequences of his choice, was a red herring, then we already know that the end of the cycle will feature more deaths than the last five minutes of "The Departed". And we also know that Pug will die. The last book is titled "Magician's End", so that in itself implies that he will die.

  As for wishing Ray had gotten to this point a little faster, I don't. I enjoyed quite a few of his books that didn't necessarily push the story along. I want to know the end of the story, so I'm glad he's rushing now to make sure he can tell us ... but at the same time, the amount of time invested in writing some of the earlier books (The original riftwar cycle, the sons books, the empire trilogy, and the demonwar books) really shows. I have found repeated enjoyment in reading them, whereas I'm not sure I'll read some of the books since again at all, let alone the many times the earlier books have been read.

  But the journey has been worthwhile. Think of some of the characters we got to meet and read about. Bobby de Longville, Gamina, Jimmy, Nakor, Eric and Roo ... heck even Kaspar was worthwhile. The amazing look at the Tsurani culture afforded by the empire trilogy. To watch Mara's journey from a child to where the third book ends ... absolutely gripping every time I read through the trilogy, even though I already know all the best parts.  Ray may have fallen off in his later years but I have enjoyed countless hours thanks to him.

  I wouldn't miss reading through till the end for much of anything.
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Re: At the Gates of Darkness Thread
« Reply #2 on: May 12, 2009, 01:30:19 PM »

Just a quick comment.

The last book is titled "Magician's End", so that in itself implies that he will die.

Well no.... I don't think it does, not to me anyway. What it implies for me is the end of Pug's intrest/involment on Midkemia.

That could mean he dies yes, but it could also mean that he leaves forever through the Hall of Worlds or even transcends/descends to a Higher (or Lower) realm and continues his work alone. There are so many layers of "this onion" of Rays, to coin a phrase, that at the moment I wouldn't like to guess at a specific ending for him.
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Re: At the Gates of Darkness Thread
« Reply #3 on: May 12, 2009, 04:18:59 PM »

Indeed. Another possible avenue Ray could venture down with that ending, would be that magic on all of Midkemia dies. Thus, you have no more Magicians. Pug could end up living out a sad and lonely life, after he's lost everyone - and his magic - and will die naturally. A blessing, in some ways. But we all know, you're always back onto the wheel of life after and ready to give it another go as someone else.

(*Goes to fetch his Wrath of a Mad God book, where such a discussion takes place near the end*)

Edit: Hmm. Thought it was at the end. Apparently not. I remember...

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Pug having a discussion with someone (Banath?), about his own life. And how he could have easily found himself in Lims-Kragma, before being sent back (as someone better?). But he made a deal instead, as we all know.


But does anyone know when (if?) that discussion takes place, or something like it?  :elf_gloop:
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Re: At the Gates of Darkness Thread
« Reply #4 on: May 12, 2009, 09:01:37 PM »

Well,
 
  I have to remember which book the "deal" is stuck. Was it Shards of a Broken Crown? I don't remember so I'm gonna have to dig through till I find it... but I don't think the series can end with Pug alive honestly. The start point was the beginning of his journey ... and end point is the the end of it... in some fashion or another.

  I'd love to hear some thoughts on the rest of my previous post though. I know that we will all have different expectations of what's going to happen as we continue forward ... but that's speculation. I'm far more interested in how we all view the journey so far.
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Re: At the Gates of Darkness Thread
« Reply #5 on: May 20, 2009, 09:35:32 PM »


  I have to remember which book the "deal" is stuck. Was it Shards of a Broken Crown? I don't remember so I'm gonna have to dig through till I find it... but I don't think the series can end with Pug alive honestly.

Rage of a Demon King, when Pug was reduced to 'crispy critter' status.

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Re: At the Gates of Darkness Thread
« Reply #6 on: May 21, 2009, 11:49:40 PM »

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I'm concerned over Ray having completed the book so quickly. It's a positive that the book has actually been written and handed in, but was it rushed?

I don't see how this is rushing, really. There are many authors out there who write two or more books a year, they just don't get the same press as people like Martin, Rothfuss, or Lynch. Hell, Erikson squeezes out a tome a year somehow, a task I find odd and likely bordering on masochism, but he manages it. Considering the length of Feist's novels, I think it is better to compare him to Salvatore, who writes similarly length novels and puts out two a year. Could it be rushed? Yes. Damn well right it could be rushed. But it is not completely unusual for a writer to write two or three (or hell, I am sure someone out there has written more than that in a year's time) a year.

As to why he has to be finished a full year before publication, that is the real question. I do believe six to eight months prior to release is about the average, but if the next book sees a March release like Rides a Dread Legion, then that places it more than a year before schedule. But hey, maybe they are dedicating a good bit of time to having people actually edit and fact check to previous novels... a worthy effort.
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Re: At the Gates of Darkness Thread
« Reply #7 on: May 22, 2009, 06:50:47 AM »

It's a safe bet they're not giving any extra consideration to proofing the novels. The last book was still full of silly, little errors and it's a safe bet the next will be the same. I think the largest consideration in the minds of the publishers is releasing the book at a time where it's assured the most spotlight. Nobody wants to go up against A Dance for Dragons or A Memory of Light, for instance. So they hold off releasing his book until a relatively quiet period in the industry so that it can be the "book of the month."

As for authors putting out crazy, stupid amounts of work in a given year, look no further than Jay Lake. Not human, I tell you.
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Re: At the Gates of Darkness Thread
« Reply #8 on: May 28, 2009, 04:27:59 AM »

Whatever the implication of the title "Magician's End", I will be happy if the last sentence is "The storm had passed". ;)
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Re: At the Gates of Darkness Thread
« Reply #9 on: June 02, 2009, 08:43:19 AM »

Whatever the implication of the title "Magician's End", I will be happy if the last sentence is "The storm had passed". ;)

Ditto!!
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Re: At the Gates of Darkness Thread
« Reply #10 on: June 14, 2009, 09:35:24 AM »

If you guys mean what I think you do by that as an ending line... bah. That's what King did with the dark tower... terrible and such a cheap way out.
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Re: At the Gates of Darkness Thread
« Reply #11 on: July 30, 2009, 08:10:59 AM »

I have enjoyed the Midkemia books by Feist over the years. The only thing I will come out of this regretting is that he never got to finish the book(s) that had to do with the Crawler.
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At the Gates of Darkness
« Reply #12 on: December 21, 2009, 12:38:19 AM »

I just finished reading this book in the early hours of today.

Filled with action and it's good to see Pug and Magnus and the other magicians using their powers to their full extent - which some other books in the series don't seem to do, with Pug being far too easily overwhelmed.  The quality of the prose isn't as good as some of Feist's earlier works, perhaps reflecting the speed of its release.

As for the plot, it seems a little contrived, but the differents strands of the plot are drawn together well and do set the stage for the final Riftwar, although the Dread do not make an appearance, except obliquely i.e. the demons facing some nameless invaders...
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Re: At the Gates of Darkness
« Reply #13 on: December 21, 2009, 02:39:35 AM »

Thanks for creating the topic and adding a little commentary concerning the novel, but I already created one for this book. No worries! :)

I'm looking forward to reading this novel. Another stepping stone until the final novel is reached.

The end is nigh.
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Re: At the Gates of Darkness Thread
« Reply #14 on: December 24, 2009, 10:40:58 AM »

I had no idea the book was already out. I was doing some Christmas shopping and I walked past a copy and I did a double take. It was weird.
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Re: At the Gates of Darkness Thread
« Reply #15 on: December 31, 2009, 08:27:02 PM »

I'll be doing a full proper (mostly re-read) read of Rides a Dread Legion when I get home, and then I'll pick this one up.
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Re: At the Gates of Darkness Thread
« Reply #16 on: January 01, 2010, 02:48:39 PM »

i cant get the book untill jan,16 but hoping for more hall of worlds,what did pug see in the void when he was going though the rift in   rides a dread leigon.wonder if demons can walk or rampage through the hall? where are the angels? are they locked up in their circle? guees i'll have to wait like everybody else.  keep us going r.e.f.
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Re: At the Gates of Darkness Thread
« Reply #17 on: January 01, 2010, 06:09:45 PM »

I bought the book today at 11am and have just finished it. Its not a long book my any stretch of the imagination.I wont spoil the plot for anyone but i will say this, its probably my least favourite of rays.
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Re: At the Gates of Darkness Thread
« Reply #18 on: January 01, 2010, 09:57:07 PM »

Book isn't supposed to even be released in the UK for another week!

What's the deal with REF's publishers?

And you know, Snowlock, you can always use spoiler codes and give the person the chance to decide whether they want to read your comments or not. Also, I know when I finish a book, I tend to go back to see what others thought, before posting myself, usually.
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Re: At the Gates of Darkness Thread
« Reply #19 on: January 02, 2010, 12:08:07 PM »

i dont count my not enjoying the book a spoiler, saying arutha returns would be a spoiler.
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