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Great One

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Do you think Ray believes in his story?
« on: September 12, 2009, 07:18:09 PM »

Well, quite simply put, do you believe Ray believes in the tale he's telling?

Let's look at the world he and his friends created: Midkemia. It spawned further worlds, creating an entire universe, full of potential for stories. As it's went on, Ray has introduced a myriad of different creatures, like the Dasati civilisation in the recent books, and in the new book, a new breed of Elves. Not a fan of the latter, but I really enjoyed reading about the former. Ray showed excellence in his ability to create their civilisation. Indeed, I think Ray may have had the most fun with that one, than he has had in a long-time.

But, I couldn't help feeling with the new book, that it's lacking a bit of self-belief and purpose. It's part of the reason why I still haven't read it all. I find it unreadable. Can't get into it, at all. That's a different discussion, though.

I've always felt with Ray's story-telling that one their main strengths lay in the direction Ray's been taking in them. Of late, I find this lacking - they're a bit aimless. He seems to do a lot of 'beating around the bush', to get his point across. It shakes my confidence in his ability to complete the Midkemia Cycle adequately.

So, I want you to consider whether Ray has lost his own belief in what he's writing, or if he's just pushing on to get to the finish line.

And for those of you who feel that once the Cycle is done, Ray's done; I advise you to check out his non-Midkemia book 'Faerie Tale'. That book was written quite a few years ago, now, but it shows Ray has plenty of ability to tell different stories. And not just of the traditional fantasy yarn variety.



(Had more to say about this, before - indeed I'd written it, but due to a browser malfunction, it got deleted. I'm not done saying what I have to say, really. But I'm hitting a bit of a crutch, so I'll pass it onto you people)

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Re: Do you think Ray believes in his story?
« Reply #1 on: September 14, 2009, 10:10:16 PM »

So, I want you to consider whether Ray has lost his own belief in what he's writing, or if he's just pushing on to get to the finish line.

Like you I have Ray on my friends list on facebook and I also read his blogs on Crydee. He's had some major stuff going on in his personal life and I have no doubt that affects will affect his writing styles. I certainly wouldn't say Ray is now pushing for the end and actually I think still believes in the story as a whole.

He's talked about a period of clinical depresion he had and he frequently updates about his good days and bad so personally I would think it's more to do with his focus of actually getting the story down in writing not the story itself.



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Re: Do you think Ray believes in his story?
« Reply #2 on: September 15, 2009, 05:26:20 AM »

Yes, that is true, Myd. It was a little concerning to read about that, I'm glad he's holding up.

My thoughts have arrived back to the original intent for this topic. In my mind, I was considering whether the whole 'typical fantasy' setting might be why he doesn't write the epics any more. I mean, at his age, I could see how having his main protagonist as an immortal wizard and his best friend the super-elf-man, might have gotten a little old.

Makes sense, considering how he has stepped away from those two, mostly (though still keeping Pug crucial) and is focusing on more realistic, human themes. Indeed, from the answers he gives during interviews, it's safe to say he doesn't read any of the other authors in the genre. So if he's not interested in reading about it, how interested could he be in writing similar stuff for a living?
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Re: Do you think Ray believes in his story?
« Reply #3 on: November 25, 2009, 07:36:48 AM »


I've always felt with Ray's story-telling that one their main strengths lay in the direction Ray's been taking in them. Of late, I find this lacking - they're a bit aimless. He seems to do a lot of 'beating around the bush', to get his point across. It shakes my confidence in his ability to complete the Midkemia Cycle adequately.

So, I want you to consider whether Ray has lost his own belief in what he's writing, or if he's just pushing on to get to the finish line.


Yeah, I do think he's just pushing on to get to the finish line.

I can't say I've got hm on Facebook or anything. I have no insight into his personal life, but purely based on the sense I get from his latest books, I get the feeling he's lost interest and his heart isn't in it. In my opinion, he's never been a great writer, but his storytelling used to be compelling. Now, a bit like what you said, it feels like I'm just reading filler. It feels like he's set himself the nice, round number of five riftwars and given himself a framework that he has to fill up with story where there isn't really a story to be told. That's why it's so meandering. It feels like he also keeps on introducing new characters as a means of having a fresh start for himself as a writer, but then gets over them, advances the world another hundred years and creates  new bunch of characters who're just rehashings of old ones (JimmyHand? What the hell is that?). I think he's just writing hollowly. Churning them out year after year to make money and to get it over and done with so he can move on to something new (and fair enough - it's one massive series).

I think you may be onto something with your theory about the genre beng old, too, GO.
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Re: Do you think Ray believes in his story?
« Reply #4 on: November 04, 2010, 05:57:51 PM »

I haven't gotten around to reading Rides a Dread Legion, but ever since the beginning of Conclave of Shadows I haven't felt that "magic" reading his books. Maybe its because I've matured, but I still find his earlier works interesting and compelling. Maybe his heart isn't in it anymore, or our hearts aren't in it anymore.
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Re: Do you think Ray believes in his story?
« Reply #5 on: March 04, 2011, 11:34:53 PM »

I do think he believes in it, the trouble is he milked it too much.  If he followed the serpent war with this final series, it would have been near perfect. Each of the series in between could have been released after as stand alone books.
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